Off Topic The Politics Thread

[ELLERS]

We have also been told for months now that the UK will be broke if we leave the EU and no one will have any money and everything will cost a fortune? ....? .....?
If we won't have any money who will be buying all those German Cars? The Romanians?....Bulgarians?.....Estonia?...Cyprus?....Croatia?...The mass car sales in Finland...Hungary...Latvia or Malta, Slovakia. Or will it be the cash-rich Italians?
I can see it now...Greece will come to the rescue. You give them a car and the promise to repay in a years time but default so you give them the money to pay you back and they spend it.
You cannot have it both ways. This is why a deal will be struck because too many companies will lose out.

 

[Tramore Ranger]

Not surprised that Arlene Forster stuck he twopenneth in and she's right to highlight what a lot of people seem to be forgetting here in Southern Ireland is that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and will leave the EU at the same time as the rest of the UK.

There's a lot of suspicion that the Irish Government stance is a United Ireland by stealth and the argument about it being down to the UK Government to sort out a soft border is seen as naïve on Veradker's part, the Irish Government has to become proactive and start engaging with London on this matter and not simply hide behind the EU who after all totally screwed Ireland when it bailed it out 10 years or so ago......

 

[durbar2003]

I see Ireland has just got richer after being told they must collect 13 billion from Apple.

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

Yes but if no one lives there and there are no jobs it doesn't matter how much they are. Stop comparing some outpost in France to the UK.
Do they still take 50% tax in France?

No I am not comparing a outpost to the UK if i were which part of the UK would you choose ... It's divided and you have 48% emeries probably today that actual figure would be 70%. Absolutely confident that second vote if it came you would see a swing.

Tax is more than that on average but there again everything works better ... if you don't know that then you have no idea about France

 

[ELLERS]

No I am not comparing a outpost to the UK if i were which part of the UK would you choose ... It's divided and you have 48% emeries probably today that actual figure would be 70%. Absolutely confident that second vote if it came you would see a swing.

Tax is more than that on average but there again everything works better ... if you don't know that then you have no idea about France

Why is it people that now live abroad seem to be the most vocal about Brexit? What are they worried about? Missing out on the NHS?

 

[Tramore Ranger]

I see Ireland has just got richer after being told they must collect 13 billion from Apple.

Problem is that it doesn't all belong to Ireland, it has to be divided up between the countries where the income was generated. The EU are just using Ireland as a collection agency.....

 

[QPRNUTS]

Not surprised that Arlene Forster stuck he twopenneth in and she's right to highlight what a lot of people seem to be forgetting here in Southern Ireland is that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and will leave the EU at the same time as the rest of the UK.

There's a lot of suspicion that the Irish Government stance is a United Ireland by stealth and the argument about it being down to the UK Government to sort out a soft border is seen as naïve on Veradker's part, the Irish Government has to become proactive and start engaging with London on this matter and not simply hide behind the EU who after all totally screwed Ireland when it bailed it out 10 years or so ago......

This is the real white elephant in the room Tramore. I think it’s reasonable for Irish politicians to try and ensure that any deal does not either undo a lot of the hard political softening that’s been achieved since the GFA or close the door completely on the possibility of a United Ireland in the future.
That’s why the DUP are standing so firm.

There’s a long history of mistrust between both governments. I honestly believe it’s time all the cards were put on the table here.

 

[sb_73]

This is the real white elephant in the room Tramore. I think it’s reasonable for Irish politicians to try and ensure that any deal does not either undo a lot of the hard political softening that’s been achieved since the GFA or close the door completely on the possibility of a United Ireland in the future.
That’s why the DUP are standing so firm.

There’s a long history of mistrust between both governments. I honestly believe it’s time all the cards were put on the table here.

Meanwhile, can the rest of us just get on with this Brexit malarkey?

We were within a gnat’s chuff of at last making some progress towards beginning discussions on what will be a worse than we have now deal, but at least it was progress. Now we are dragged back into 1,000 years of history which hasn’t got anything to do with the EU.

Anyway, David Davis has said in Parliament that the whole of the U.K. will adopt to ‘no divergence from EU regulations’ position, so the DUP can **** off. Now of course he has Jake Rees Mogg and his mob to deal with instead.

I will leave the future of Ireland to the Irish. When the North votes to join the Republic, and the Republic votes to let them in, that’s it. Northern Ireland is of course the most heavily subsidised bit of the U.K., so it’s not a cost free option.

 

[rangercol]

You see, that is the premise of your issue Col - you appear a genuinely trusting man who thinks that persons in important positions are fit for the job - they are so often not.
Bored you all before with it but the crux is the quality of people running this thing from the UK side.
Stated before that before you go into any negotiation you've aligned your own internal position first, in fairness the clusterfuck that Pigfucker left makes it debatable whether even the most skilled could have pulled it off.
Who would have thought to get a grip around the DUP when they were being bought off?
Who could have thought that the Irish question would be a major element to this?
Who would have thought it a good idea to be aligned PRIOR to going in to high level, high profile "final negotiations".

Your "**** em all" rhetoric is OK if you genuinely believe that there is a collective of even average politicians around to stop a massive spiral for the UK. I'm afraid that the reverse of what has been happening for years is well on the cards for the UK.

For many years, the finance scumbags assembled in London have been allowed to attack decent countries' monetary mechanisms. There is an appetite to take these out - that appetite, which was also the appetite of many who wanted to leave is getting stronger in Europe.

Most major organisations in Europe have factored in their potential losses from "losing trade with the UK" already, most UK organisations can't even begin to understand what's coming to them.

FYI - This year alone I have renegotiated terms with 5 decent sized UK companies, they're out on a limb having to concede points they would never have done previously.

I'm genuinely sorry as the UK is currently a laughing stock - something not deserved by its fantastic people.
As for coalitions without ministers - Yes it happens, unusual but yes.
However there is one thing that coalitions and shady deals should have in common - the deal is made beforehand, the elements are negotiated beforehand, or you could just simply trust that parties like the DUP, National Front, UKIP or whatever right wingers you want to introduce would play nice!!!

Could I just point out, one last time, that I was only saying "tell them to **** off" when the EU were simply blocking all progress. I want a deal that is good for all if at all possible.

 

[ELLERS]

Could I just point out, one last time, that I was only saying "tell them to **** off" when the EU were simply blocking all progress. I want a deal that is good for all if at all possible.

Col there are certain quarters that are trying to derail our democratic vote. We have seen it from the coverage of BBC/SKY. I have witnessed and read in the press scaremongering to make people who voted leave to question their decision. The fact is the EU is a corrupt organization that has taken the P out of us and is now paying the price. They are sh2ting themselves in Europe because the second biggest contributor is walking away leaving the Germans and the French to cough up more money which they don't want to do or have. The only reason they want so much money is because they know it's going tits up.

The EU as it stands is in a weak position as many countries and the people of those countries are questioning the EU.
Take the countries of Germany/France/Austria/Holland. All have had recent elections and all have seen a major growth of the far right. Why? Because of immigration and lack of jobs for the young. Italy and Greece are basket cases and sooner or later one of them will leave. Catalonia problems.

I posted a report last week regarding poverty in the EU and no one wanted to debate it, why? because it shows the true look of Europe under the EU flag. The whole thing is geared up for big business and they are not interested in the people.

We won't have much to worry about because the whole EU thing is falling to bits and I see it collapsing when we eventually leave (if they allow us to).

 

[Sooperhoop]

Never thought I'd agree with Ed Miliband but I think he's got it spot-on here, although they're still better than letting Jezza and Abbott loose on the economy...

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[danishqp]

That is not right. Only yesterday an analyst on TV said the opposite saying that many companies in the EU are gutted we are leaving and it also puts them in an awkward position. I think you are putting too much ill-informed faith in the EU Danish.

Tbh I think it will hurt all parties if a decent deal does not get done. We are still a big trading country compared to the majority of EU countries and to dismiss us is wide of the mark.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/britain-europe-cost/
https://www.out-law.com/en/articles...to-ensure-frictionless-eu-trade-after-brexit/

Dearest Ellers,
Have previously given the benefit of doubt as to your astuteness.
Allow for one night only for a pure simpleton of a man to implode upon you what is going on outside of the lives of Mckinsey,BCG, PWC et al.
Companies based out of the UK are running **** scared. My KPIs are running ridiculously and when Stan bothers to meet up he'll enjoy why.
I do not like it, the Danes don't particularly think it's fair but it is happening.
I am lying if I don't admit to having those same ( let's call it what they are) Anarchistic hatred towards "Big Finance"
I love taking a swipe at them every time, I get more opportunity than "Joe" but it still never hurts enough.
That civil ear that DT aspires to is on the way, just that it is going to be apocalyptic.
Here's the total ****ing sorry irony,

Can't wait for Jan where I' ve. been nominated ro ring the. bell on our official opening.

Go figure how ****ed up I am!!!!

Col - The Danes are taking me over in March to see a match for my 50th

I promise to buy every single ****omg one of you a pint woth a large chaset for the occasion.

Simply because I can and this forum is just full of fantastic ****s like me.

This was sent by some drunk **** currently in Mumbai. Any association with Beth's Tap a tap tap I ain't gor a clue talk, is strongly disassociated with.

N.B I know I love England because I stll pray they can knock these runs off.

Love you all and Bombay Saphire

Last N.B - Durbar, you're a **** in real life, of that I'm sure
Sorry 999s, Beth and Tran

 

[ELLERS]

Dearest Ellers,
Have previously given the benefit of doubt as to your astuteness.
Allow for one night only for a pure simpleton of a man to implode upon you what is going on outside of the lives of Mckinsey,BCG, PWC et al.
Companies based out of the UK are running **** scared. My KPIs are running ridiculously and when Stan bothers to meet up he'll enjoy why.
I do not like it, the Danes don't particularly think it's fair but it is happening.
I am lying if I don't admit to having those same ( let's call it what they are) Anarchistic hatred towards "Big Finance"
I love taking a swipe at them every time, I get more opportunity than "Joe" but it still never hurts enough.
That civil ear that DT aspires to is on the way, just that it is going to be apocalyptic.
Here's the total ****ing sorry irony,

Can't wait for Jan where I' ve. been nominated ro ring the. bell on our official opening.

Go figure how ****ed up I am!!!!

Col - The Danes are taking me over in March to see a match for my 50th

I promise to buy every single ****omg one of you a pint woth a large chaset for the occasion.

Simply because I can and this forum is just full of fantastic ****s like me.

This was sent by some drunk **** currently in Mumbai. Any association with Beth's Tap a tap tap I ain't gor a clue talk, is strongly disassociated with.

N.B I know I love England because I stll pray they can knock these runs off.

Love you all and Bombay Saphire

Last N.B - Durbar, you're a **** in real life, of that I'm sure
Sorry 999s, Beth and Tran

Danish This is the post of the year
If I am about I would love to a beer with you and your Danes when you come over.

 

[ELLERS]

Never thought I'd agree with Ed Miliband but I think he's got it spot-on here, although they're still better than letting Jezza and Abbott loose on the economy...

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Sadly Sooper I cannot take Ed Millibland seriously. He may be spot on but it's Ed Milliband.

 

[danishqp]

Danish This is the post of the year
If I am about I would love to a beer with you and your Danes when you come over.

I promise you're all on.

Specific big beers a d accompanying chasers will be reserved for those most deserving, our beloved Mods plus Col as long as he arrives draped in a flag of St. George.
DT in blue swede Mocazsins and Striller and Tooting in sack cloth
Stan can have a Perrier with lime!!!

Remember, you can be truly English and hate what this is and has turned in to.
Nighty Night

 

[qprbeth]

Dearest Ellers,
Have previously given the benefit of doubt as to your astuteness.
Allow for one night only for a pure simpleton of a man to implode upon you what is going on outside of the lives of Mckinsey,BCG, PWC et al.
Companies based out of the UK are running **** scared. My KPIs are running ridiculously and when Stan bothers to meet up he'll enjoy why.
I do not like it, the Danes don't particularly think it's fair but it is happening.
I am lying if I don't admit to having those same ( let's call it what they are) Anarchistic hatred towards "Big Finance"
I love taking a swipe at them every time, I get more opportunity than "Joe" but it still never hurts enough.
That civil ear that DT aspires to is on the way, just that it is going to be apocalyptic.
Here's the total ****ing sorry irony,

Can't wait for Jan where I' ve. been nominated ro ring the. bell on our official opening.

Go figure how ****ed up I am!!!!

Col - The Danes are taking me over in March to see a match for my 50th

I promise to buy every single ****omg one of you a pint woth a large chaset for the occasion.

Simply because I can and this forum is just full of fantastic ****s like me.

This was sent by some drunk **** currently in Mumbai. Any association with Beth's Tap a tap tap I ain't gor a clue talk, is strongly disassociated with.

N.B I know I love England because I stll pray they can knock these runs off.

Love you all and Bombay Saphire

Last N.B - Durbar, you're a **** in real life, of that I'm sure
Sorry 999s, Beth and Tran

No idea...but love Bombay Sapphire too..
Mines a G&T when you are over Danish

 

[sb_73]

I promise you're all on.

Specific big beers a d accompanying chasers will be reserved for those most deserving, our beloved Mods plus Col as long as he arrives draped in a flag of St. George.
DT in blue swede Mocazsins and Striller and Tooting in sack cloth
Stan can have a Perrier with lime!!!

Remember, you can be truly English and hate what this is and has turned in to.
Nighty Night

You cheeky monkey. The finest wines available to humanity are required. In the White Horse.

Posting while pissed. Never advisable, always quality.

 

[Steelmonkey]

You cheeky monkey. The finest wines available to humanity are required. In the White Horse.

Posting while pissed. Never advisable, always quality.

Love that film!!

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[sb_73]

Love that film!!

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Good spot Steel!

 

[kiwiqpr]

dont remember the white horse having wine of any description let alone fine