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Over 5M view a carefully edited quote by Corbyn in a late pro-Tory campaign on social media.
Should see the vacuous, manifesto-less Tories across the line. It'll be the first of many but the only surprise is they've left it this late.
If you can't win with policies then win with fear and smear.
Should see the vacuous, manifesto-less Tories across the line. It'll be the first of many but the only surprise is they've left it this late.
If you can't win with policies then win with fear and smear.
This is exactly what the left are doing on social media. A massive torrent of anti-Tory guff, relentless in it's smearing and not bothered whether it's true or not.
They're all at it.
Tory attack ad misrepresents Corbyn views on IRA, says Labour
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mments?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
It's like a classic tabloid attack using quotes to suit an agenda.
True. It's a minefield of crap. This campaign is quite crude/desperate and appears to be from the Conservatives themselves whereas I'm not aware of Labour directly trying anything like it (not openly anyway).
It's all over facebook. Post after post of mud-slinging against the Tories. IMO both parties are as bad as each other.
However, the under 25s are being completely sucked in, like a cult pulls people in. It's been a brilliantly orchestrated campaign on social media and could well get enough young people to vote to cause an upset.
Corbyn was an IRA sympathiser. This is an undeniable, historical fact. Ex provos have come out and said he was a really "useful fool" for their cause.
With Abbott and McDonnell in tow, I could never vote for them. Youngsters don't remember this and probably don't care.
May has been awful during this campaign and the Tories have badly misjudged just about everything. I'm not sure I can vote for either of them!
Labour have got Bernie Sanders' social media people in, they are really going all out to try and get younger voters out. If they succeed it will reduce May's majority significantly, but there are still many more older voters who will vote Tory, despite the kick in the teeth she has given them on social care and pensions. For the rest of us workers I assume her promise not to increase VAT means that income tax and NI will go up. The Tory Manifesto was a really startling document, and I think a very honest one - tims are going to be tough so tighten your belts. This can only have been written on the assumption they were going to win easily.
Watching the leaders QT, bracing myself for the howls of outrage about the audience. I think it's because the left wing members are just younger, louder and more enthusiastic rather than there being more of them. From what I saw May handled herself quite well with her pretty dour message. Corbyn looking confident. He's been very well briefed, turning even the negative questions onto his ground. Suffering on nuclear weapons, predictably and rightly. Waiting for the terrorist question.
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Clearly he would never press the button. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing. But 'no first use' is not a viable nuclear strategy if you want it to be a deterrent - as it successfully has been since 1945.
Now the terrorist question......
I'm recording it. I'll watch it tomorrow morning when I'm the only one up and Mrs Rangercol is at work.
The social media campaign has been strikingly effective. Every under 25 year old seems to think that Corbyn is the Messiah! I really do liken it to a kind of brainwashing.
Thing is, there are very few swing constituencies and in many, the Lib Dems or others have refused to stand in order to give Labour extra votes.
I honestly can't believe people would want them in power, but I truly believe it could happen. The pathological hatred of all things Tory is quite astounding and I can understand it from people who have grown up in mining towns etc.
I'll probably end up voting Tory simply because (FOR ME!) they are the least ****ty of a totally ****ty choice.
For the analogy to work you would need an actual elephant. Preferably several, or at least a more powerful one than your enemy has. Hannibal presumably.
Didn't see all of the May session, Corbyn started well, suffered on his obvious areas of weakness.
Macron seems to have got off to a flying start, can we have him?
Elephants exist, so we have to deal with that situation.
May was OK and probably came out of it better than Corbyn. His problem is that he wants to scrap Trident (as would I), but that's not Labour policy.
Macron has been brilliant, already taking on Putin and then Trump - "There is no plan B because there is no planet B".
What constituency are you in Col? I know it's somewhere up in Oxfordshire, but is it a swing seat?
I read somewhere that in the last twenty years 5/6ths of the country's seats haven't changed hands.
It's all a load of ****e. Throw IRA at Corbyn and from 20 odd years ago. It's the here and now we should be addressing like our governments proud links with Saudi Arabia. How that sits well with anybody is absolutely beyond me. Silly twat in the audience would you let north Korea bomb you? Is that using the money we presently send them in foreign aid?? FFS
I don't get the obsession with pressing the red button.
If the had nuclear weapons that we weren't prepared to use (for 5 years until the next election) then it would put us level with 200 other countries that don't have them and have never been nuked.
If you say that the world is more dangerous than the Cold War then it could be argued that a) you're less likely to be fighting a country and b) Corbyn is not the most likely instigator of a war out there.
If the had nuclear weapons that we weren't prepared to use (for 5 years until the next election) then it would put us level with 200 other countries that don't have them and have never been nuked.
If you say that the world is more dangerous than the Cold War then it could be argued that a) you're less likely to be fighting a country and b) Corbyn is not the most likely instigator of a war out there.