Off Topic The Politics Thread

[GoldhawkRoad]

I've written this before, but here it is again.

Farrons record for supporting gay rights is exemplary. Whatever his personal views are, he is a Liberal. Liberals don't insist that everyone else has to follow the same lifestyle as them. That's the point. I don't hold religious views but I respect the right of others to do so. How a person acts is the issue, not what they believe or think.

Authoritarians, on the other hand, demonise anybody who does something they don't agree with with and try to enforce them to "behave properly like decent people".

Doesn't it bring him into conflict with the law? Let us say a couple of lesbians wanted to share a double bed in a bed and breakfast and the owners refused on religious grounds. The law takes the side of the lesbians. Farron takes the side of the owners.

 

[TheBigDipper]

Doesn't it bring him into conflict with the law? Let us say a couple of lesbians wanted to share a double bed in a bed and breakfast and the owners refused on religious grounds. The law takes the side of the lesbians. Farron takes the side of the owners.

Now you're just being silly. That's not like you.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Now you're just being silly. That's not like you.

It's a serious comment. His views on gay sex conflict with the law. How can he hold himself out to be a future prime minister?

 

[sb_73]

No, I filtered out UKIP because I don't know what they're for, and worse, I don't think they do. The Brexit negotiations are critically important to the future of this country. We are into adversarial negotiations with past colleagues, who hopefully, will be good neighbours for decades to come, and we with them. But for now, it's eyeball to eyeball. I can't fault May's approach and increasingly I like David Davis who's a tough s.o.b. while remaining good humoured. That's the right pitch.

I have big problems with Farron and the Lib Dems because, at the risk of repeating myself, by offering another referendum, this one on the deal, it encourages the EU to give us the poorest deal possible, in the hope that the Brits reject it and climb back into the fold. It's not going to happen. We cannot go backwards.

So your "I wouldn't vote for St Theresa either" in post [HASHTAG]#178[/HASHTAG] was a reference to St Theresa of Calcutta, or some other Saint, not to the highly religious leader of the Tory party? Her record on gay rights is rather mixed, she was against or absent when in opposition, pro when in Government and it was her party's policy. Worst kind of opportunism, no minerals, just like on Brexit.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/divisions?policy=826

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

So your "I wouldn't vote for St Theresa either" in post [HASHTAG]#178[/HASHTAG] was a reference to St Theresa of Calcutta, or some other Saint, not to the highly religious leader of the Tory party? Her record on gay rights is rather mixed, she was against or absent when in opposition, pro when in Government and it was her party's policy. Worst kind of opportunism, no minerals, just like on Brexit.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/divisions?policy=826

Your humour was too sophisticated for me. I thought you'd gone religious (being a lib dem supporter), so assumed Calcutta.

Tim is getting a pasting in the press today.

 

[sb_73]

Your humour was too sophisticated for me. I thought you'd gone religious (being a lib dem supporter), so assumed Calcutta.

Tim is getting a pasting in the press today.

It was Strollers Post you responded to. Farron should certainly take some flak, he's a hypocrite. But as long as he votes the right way and doesn't try to impose his religious views on others I don't really care. The vicars daughter should fess up on the extent of her beliefs too, I think it's relevant. And for that matter Corbyn and the rest of them.

 

[Stroller]

Anyone want to have their say on Labour's manifesto?

Better be quick.....

http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/shapeourmanifesto/

 

[TootingExcess]

There are plenty of threats, veiled and otherwise, from these two. Here's one from Mr Juncker in March:

“They [the rest of the EU] will all see from Britain’s example that leaving the EU is a bad idea.”

It goes beyond the honouring of obligations. He was clearly wanting to create a deterrent for other EU states. Since March however, Junckers has taken a step back because hostile negotiations will obviously be counterproductive for both sides.

I'd like to see the original German on that quote - obviously the Mail/Express spin is "make an example of" - but that's not necessarily what he is saying

 

[cor blymie]

only 6% of Parisians voted Le Pen. Same reason London ended up with Khan as Mayor

 

[durbar2003]

I think Le Pen will run out of ink in two weeks.

 

[QPR Oslo]

No, I filtered out UKIP because I don't know what they're for, and worse, I don't think they do. The Brexit negotiations are critically important to the future of this country. We are into adversarial negotiations with past colleagues, who hopefully, will be good neighbours for decades to come, and we with them. But for now, it's eyeball to eyeball. I can't fault May's approach and increasingly I like David Davis who's a tough s.o.b. while remaining good humoured. That's the right pitch.

I have big problems with Farron and the Lib Dems because, at the risk of repeating myself, by offering another referendum, this one on the deal, it encourages the EU to give us the poorest deal possible, in the hope that the Brits reject it and climb back into the fold. It's not going to happen. We cannot go backwards.

Of course we can go "backwards". It would be going forwards.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Of course we can go "backwards". It would be going forwards.

And so the Lib Dems promise a second referendum, and on the back of that, we get offered a ridiculously poor deal by the EU. The referendum takes place, the populace feeling conspired upon and blackmailed, and a small percentage of leavers feel unable to endorse the bad deal, as so there is a small Remain vote.

How do you think the 52% of the country will feel being treated that way? There would at the least be bad blood for lifetimes. Actually, there would be rioting in the streets in different parts of the country. There would be a huge and dangerous rise of the mad right wing. Politician personal safety would be at risk... I could go on. None of it would not go away. You cannot threaten people to stay in the EU after there's been a fair referendum (when a lot of **** was spoken by both sides). This is why Farron and his gang are so empty headed. They just can't see the adverse consequences of what they're trying to do

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

And so the Lib Dems promise a second referendum, and on the back of that, we get offered a ridiculously poor deal by the EU. The referendum takes place, the populace feeling conspired upon and blackmailed, and a small percentage of leavers feel unable to endorse the bad deal, as so there is a small Remain vote.

How do you think the 52% of the country will feel being treated that way? There would at the least be bad blood for lifetimes. Actually, there would be rioting in the streets in different parts of the country. There would be a huge and dangerous rise of the mad right wing. Politician personal safety would be at risk... I could go on. None of it would not go away. You cannot threaten people to stay in the EU after there's been a fair referendum (when a lot of **** was spoken by both sides). This is why Farron and his gang are so empty headed. They just can't see the adverse consequences of what they're trying to do

A good riot is what most of those places need.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

A good riot is what most of those places need.

They'd be able to see smoke from Brussels. And Nigel Farage would become the most popular politician in Britain overnight

 

[sheffordqpr]

Isn't this all a bit of a waste of time? Trump and Po Kum Yung or whatever his name is will have us all vaporised soon anyway!

 

[Stroller]

And so the Lib Dems promise a second referendum, and on the back of that, we get offered a ridiculously poor deal by the EU. The referendum takes place, the populace feeling conspired upon and blackmailed, and a small percentage of leavers feel unable to endorse the bad deal, as so there is a small Remain vote.

How do you think the 52% of the country will feel being treated that way? There would at the least be bad blood for lifetimes. Actually, there would be rioting in the streets in different parts of the country. There would be a huge and dangerous rise of the mad right wing. Politician personal safety would be at risk... I could go on. None of it would not go away. You cannot threaten people to stay in the EU after there's been a fair referendum (when a lot of **** was spoken by both sides)

That all sounds a bit like a threat to me.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

That all sounds a bit like a threat to me.

It's not a threat, because personally, I'll be sitting here, kicking the nearest door. But it's the best prediction I can make. If you see it differently, tell me how, Strolls. Leave passions will run high on this, up and down the country, if there's a feeling of injustice.

 

[Stroller]

It's not a threat, because personally, I'll be sitting here, kicking the nearest door. But it's the best prediction I can make. If you see it differently, tell me how, Strolls. Leave passions will run high on this, up and down the country, if there's a feeling of injustice.

I don't believe any of it Goldie. You seem to be suggesting that Leave voters are all dangerous right-wing loonies. Some of them aren't.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

I don't believe any of it Goldie. You seem to be suggesting that Leave voters are all dangerous right-wing loonies. Some of them aren't.

How many right wing loonies with a sense of injustice do you need to cause trouble? The BNP or whatever they call themselves now would see a huge rise in membership. UKIP would rise again, we'd have Nuttal with a grievance on the box most nights.

I just don't think the Lib Dems have thought through the consequences of what they're suggesting

 

[sb_73]

I don't believe any of it Goldie. You seem to be suggesting that Leave voters are all dangerous right-wing loonies. Some of them aren't.

Only takes less than 10% of the leave voters to not want to quit the single market/customs union to change things. Given that none of us knew what we were really voting for last time seems fair enough to me. Just because Theresa May has surrendered herself to Neanderthals from Skegness doesn't mean I have to. Probably makes me a traitor or a saboteur or something, but I'll live with that.