Off Topic The Politics Thread

[danishqp]

That narrative doesn't relate to the poster that I'm familiar with Yappy. Are you sure?

You mention that he has made derogatory comments to you spanning a period of years which would explain your volcanic vitriolic outburst. Instead of bottling up this pent up anger why didn't you address these issues at the time? To suggest that I go back and search for any interaction between the two of you in the time you've mentioned is a preposterous request. I suggest that you put him on ignore if you don't agree with his comments.

Ignore is way too easy 999s and always found it a cop out, my opinion.
Yappy, I sympathise with you in respect of the difficulty in duelling with our man in Leamington Spa/Manila, he's just way too good and where he finds the time, I would say God only knows, but that would be infuriating his absolute non religious beliefs.
The irony, oh the glorious irony, here is how you have interpreted and described this oft most infuriating of men. I know it is only Cyberspace - have not enjoyed what would be an undoubted displeasure of downing copious libations with the man - but, and my opinion only - you could not have hit and described a more different picture of what I have in my head.
I'm wondering if you've been a lucky chap and already hit those copious libations.

Back on track with this magnificent thread -

I feel so sorry for Angela Merkel, she is one of those politicians that we so often cry out for, someone who genuinely wants the best for the many and works towards it. She is someone of compassion, who has seen first hand what it is like to be excluded without real opportunity, and desperately wants to do the right thing by humanity. We can, and history will, judge her on the results, but her intentions, principles and downright goodness should never come into question.
We will sorely miss her when she is gone and I'm not a Remainer.

 

[rangercol]

Ignore is way too easy 999s and always found it a cop out, my opinion.
Yappy, I sympathise with you in respect of the difficulty in duelling with our man in Leamington Spa/Manila, he's just way too good and where he finds the time, I would say God only knows, but that would be infuriating his absolute non religious beliefs.
The irony, oh the glorious irony, here is how you have interpreted and described this oft most infuriating of men. I know it is only Cyberspace - have not enjoyed what would be an undoubted displeasure of downing copious libations with the man - but, and my opinion only - you could not have hit and described a more different picture of what I have in my head.
I'm wondering if you've been a lucky chap and already hit those copious libations.

Back on track with this magnificent thread -

I feel so sorry for Angela Merkel, she is one of those politicians that we so often cry out for, someone who genuinely wants the best for the many and works towards it. She is someone of compassion, who has seen first hand what it is like to be excluded without real opportunity, and desperately wants to do the right thing by humanity. We can, and history will, judge her on the results, but her intentions, principles and downright goodness should never come into question.
We will sorely miss her when she is gone and I'm not a Remainer.

Spot on about Stan.

Re Merkel, history will undoubtedly record that her open border invitation was a most horrendous of decisions imo.
I'm all for compassion to those in need, but imo the West is currently in the grip of extreme human rights liberalism from the ruling classes and rich liberal elite. Until the silent majority can overthrow this ideology (I believe it's starting to happen), nothing will change and the world will remain incredibly dangerous and unbalanced.
Also, whilst this situation continues it is the extreme far right voices that are heard the most, which is very dangerous imo.

 

[QPR999]

Ignore is way too easy 999s and always found it a cop out, my opinion.

A cop out from what?

 

[danishqp]

A cop out from what?

I just think ignoring is too easy - that would be like not liking Campari so I will just not drink it - well no, if you keep at it, you will learn to love that bitter sweet feeling.
A QPR fan should always have the lowest of expectations in life, thereby, he will only be pleasantly surprised.

Ignoring some members on here, for me would defeat the point - my opinion only, you may ignore keep well all.

Gladlig jule til alle
Felz Navidades
Merry Christmas

 

[danishqp]

Spot on about Stan.

Re Merkel, history will undoubtedly record that her open border invitation was a most horrendous of decisions imo.
I'm all for compassion to those in need, but imo the West is currently in the grip of extreme human rights liberalism from the ruling classes and rich liberal elite. Until the silent majority can overthrow this ideology (I believe it's starting to happen), nothing will change and the world will remain incredibly dangerous and unbalanced.
Also, whilst this situation continues it is the extreme far right voices that are heard the most, which is very dangerous imo.

Yes, I agree that the way it was done last year was kneejerk in her case.She had already presided on a very open policy since she started, that had not backlashed, this more advanced and speedy injection was it seems, a step too far or quick at least.
I still think that she is a politician of conviction, someone who does not look after her own legacy but the best for the country.
How many politicians does Britain have that can say the same in the last 30 years?

 

[TheBigDipper]

Spot on about Stan.

Re Merkel, history will undoubtedly record that her open border invitation was a most horrendous of decisions imo.
I'm all for compassion to those in need, but imo the West is currently in the grip of extreme human rights liberalism from the ruling classes and rich liberal elite. Until the silent majority can overthrow this ideology (I believe it's starting to happen), nothing will change and the world will remain incredibly dangerous and unbalanced.
Also, whilst this situation continues it is the extreme far right voices that are heard the most, which is very dangerous imo.

You're bang on about the drift towards normalising extremism. It could be of either persuasion, left or right, because in many ways they're the same thing - dogmatic, inflexible and demanding slavish obedience to avoid the risk of being "outed". At the moment, it's true that the right-wing nationalists are getting the traction, but that could change.

It's time the silent majority stopped being silent and told politicians what sort of country they want to live in. It's also time they started to look very carefully to understand the motives of the people who claim to represent them. The risk is that the promised land of change is a false dawn which just gives power to a different set of "elites" who deliver the same-old same-old.

 

[Stroller]

Some fascinating stuff in here. What a devious, self-serving bunch of ****ers they all seem to be.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...things-you-didnt-know-about-the-eu-referendum

 

[Stroller]

Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump's new billionaire trade chief, has urged Britain's rivals to profit from the 'god -given opportunity' that Brexit presents and take business away from the UK. He said that it was inevitable that there would be relocations of businesses and institutions.

It wasn't God, mate.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump's new billionaire trade chief, has urged Britain's rivals to profit from the 'god -given opportunity' that Brexit presents and take business away from the UK. He said that it was inevitable that there would be relocations of businesses and institutions.

It wasn't God, mate.

To put it in context, he made the comment to Cypriot investors last June within days of the referendum result, at the same time as Osborne was predicting we were about to become a third world country

 

[Stroller]

To put it in context, he made the comment to Cypriot investors last June within days of the referendum result, at the same time as Osborne was predicting we were about to become a third world country

Surely the more relevant context is his new-found position, rather than when he made the comments.

I must have missed that Osborne 'quote'.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Surely the more relevant context is his new-found position, rather than when he made the comments.

I must have missed that Osborne 'quote'.

The timing is relevant in that many of the professed experts have had to eat their words since last June. As the ex Bank of England governor has just said, people really have to stop talking this country down

 

[rangercol]

The timing is relevant in that many of the professed experts have had to eat their words since last June. As the ex Bank of England governor has just said, people really have to stop talking this country down

Ah, but if you don't like your own country it's the easiest thing in the world to talk Iit down.

 

[QPR Oslo]

The timing is relevant in that many of the professed experts have had to eat their words since last June. As the ex Bank of England governor has just said, people really have to stop talking this country down

Same applies to leading lights in the EU.

 

[Stroller]

The timing is relevant in that many of the professed experts have had to eat their words since last June. As the ex Bank of England governor has just said, people really have to stop talking this country down

I think we may have to wait for Brexit to actually happen before we know what damage may be done. If we are looking to the US for new trade deals, Ross's appointment is not encouraging.

Did you find that Osborne 'third world' quote?

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

I think we may have to wait for Brexit to actually happen before we know what damage may be done. If we are looking to the US for new trade deals, Ross's appointment is not encouraging.

Did you find that Osborne 'third world' quote?

Did I say it was a quote? It was a paraphrase with Yuletide hyperbole. Osborne' dire predictions about the economy included an immediate financial crash, Cameron made reference to a third world war. Feel free to defend them...

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Same applies to leading lights in the EU.

Good point, and once a Brexit agreement has been successfully concluded by 2020, this will quieten critical voices from the UK. The question is whether it will quieten criticism from within the EU itself

 

[Stroller]

Did I say it was a quote? It was a paraphrase with Yuletide hyperbole. Osborne' dire predictions about the economy included an immediate financial crash, Cameron made reference to a third world war. Feel free to defend them...

As if I would defend the Bully boys! However, all they were guilty of during the EU campaign was ineptitude and exaggeration. The Leave campaign knowingly peddled outright lies.

Did you read the article in post 7667? Very revealing stuff, suggesting that both May and Corbyn actually wanted a Leave victory and damaged the Remain campaign by their less than enthusiastic support.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Did I say it was a quote? It was a paraphrase with Yuletide hyperbole. Osborne' dire predictions about the economy included an immediate financial crash, Cameron made reference to a third world war. Feel free to defend them...

Valid warnings. The value of the Pound has already crashed by around 15% since that vote. Britain leaving the EU could trigger other countries to go the same way. You only need a quick review of European history and growing tension globally, to see what a fragmented Europe could take us back to.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Good point, and once a Brexit agreement has been successfully concluded by 2020, this will quieten critical voices from the UK. The question is whether it will quieten criticism from within the EU itself

What I meant was unwise words about Britain and Europe with a hard Brexit by influential individuals both in the UK and the EU since the vote, have and probably will continue to drive the Pound and Euro down.

 

[rangercol]

Valid warnings. The value of the Pound has already crashed by around 15% since that vote. Britain leaving the EU could trigger other countries to go the same way. You only need a quick review of European history and growing tension globally, to see what a fragmented Europe could take us back to.

The falling pound has certainly impacted on Tabatha's and Henry's gap year travels, but it has helped the economy in some ways.