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[Lawrence Jacoby]

Can we debunk some fake news....

I did not vote Brexit due to immigration. Although I believe we need to restrict certain undesirables from entering the UK. I had no problem with people wanting to come to the UK to study/work/live. Unfortunately, we were letting in known criminals that once in, committed crimes. That needed to stop. We also let in too many people that were just using our country for handouts or medical. I am all for helping people out but we need to sort out our own problems first.

I also agree that many people had different reasons for why they wanted to leave however they all had the same thing in common in that they wanted to leave. It just seems that people want to complicate this by saying we didn't know what we voted for, we did ...To leave, get over it!

My main reason for leaving was because the EU would never change or adapt. It has always been a closed shop and sadly the UK would have always been the little boy outside. The unelected that make the rules must not have that power over us or our laws.

The whole process has been hampered by in-house fighting, Brexit/ non-Brexit arguments. people determined to try and derail the process when you mix that all up and add David Davis you are in for a slow process.
This was always going to be a tough thing but I can see light at the end of the Channel tunnel.

Nope not accepted that
The primary view for Brexit was too many European people coming here and nicking jobs plus a false claim that we put be able to spend a silly figure on the NHS because it was written on the side of a bus !

They are still allowed to come and Ireland needs free movement
As for the money this thing is going to cost billions and billions and it will cost the average person

It’s a disaster imo

 

[durbar2003]

Northern Ireland is an easy problem to solve, do a Henry VIII.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Northern Ireland is an easy problem to solve, do a Henry VIII.

How will exploding in your own coffin help?

 

[Stroller]

Labour has carved for itself a nice little position, hasn’t it? The Tories come in to clean up the economic mess caused by Labour and, in doing so, is obliged to make a series of very unpopular decisions to get the job done. In opposition, Labour can exploit the ‘Nasty Tories’ mantra whilst promising Eldorado to the impressionable - promises they know they’re unlikely to deliver upon when back in power (at least not in a sustainable way) - in order to win back support. Your average Clapham Omnibus voter has a notoriously short memory, so gets seduced by these promises, votes Labour back in and the cycle begins again.

It reminds me of my formative years in Liberia. The US (largely through the likes of Firestone) ran the economic administration of the country. Periodically, when the populous saw that it was profitable, this was forced back into the hands of the Liberian government, only for greed and corruption to become rife, the economy fail, and the people invite the US back in to save it. Thus another revolution of the carousel.

You can turn that on it's head though can't you, Uber? The Tories perennially rape the poor so violently that people eventually decide that things have gone too far and kick them out in favour of a more equitable alternative.

 

[durbar2003]

How will exploding in your own coffin help?

Wont make a difference. I was referring to making everyone convert to the C of E (protestant)

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

You can turn that on it's head though can't you, Uber? The Tories perennially rape the poor so violently that people eventually decide that things have gone too far and kick them out in favour of a more equitable alternative.

Scene one, scene two. We fall for it time and time again.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

This bit about Labour trashing the economy is plain wrong, but you lot keep trotting it all the same.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/robert-eastwood/imf-and-labour's-economic-record

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Isn't it amazing that free market supporters who want an economy based on lack of regulation or State intervention can suffer such collective amnesia. It was after all only 8-9 years ago. An alien version of David Attenborough would have a field day describing this unusal phenomenon of self-delusion

Fact. It was that warped view of economics which led to traders gambling with our futures so that they could make a fast buck and banking institutions who were all up each other to the hilt at the time crashed plunging us all into financial crisis.

Fact. It was not socialism which caused the crash because Brown was a free marketeer. Had gorgeous George Osborne been in charge of the economy during the golden Blair years he would have been congratulated and feted for the very same mistakes for which Brown is now being pilloried. What would his medicine at the time have been? 8 years of austerity hasn't solved anything. Would he have allowed the stricken banks to die? After all the market knows best, the State knows **** all and government's role should be to let be what will/should be. No he wouldn't. He would have sought to bail them out as Brown did and would not have acted differently at all. he would have been just as powerless as Brown and Darling were to stop the force of the free market in freefall.

Come on guys. I remember what happened at the time and I'm sure you do too.

 

[Staines R's]

It’s amazing the amount of people on here (on both sides), that know why the other side voted as they did and they know exactly what the future holds.
Now if any of you know next weeks lottery numbers, I’d be forever grateful.

 

[kiwiqpr]

Did you know, if you rearrange the letters in Jeremy Corbyn & add a few more, you can spell; terrorist loving, Jew hating, Anti-British, lying Marxist traitor who is peddling schoolboy policies to a deluded & naive minority who have no idea how the real world works

 

[kiwiqpr]

It’s amazing the amount of people on here (on both sides), that know why the other side voted as they did and they know exactly what the future holds.
Now if any of you know next weeks lottery numbers, I’d be forever grateful.

or new zealands

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Wont make a difference. I was referring to making everyone convert to the C of E (protestant)

Thank you for clearing up my obvious confusion.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

You can turn that on it's head though can't you, Uber? The Tories perennially rape the poor so violently that people eventually decide that things have gone too far and kick them out in favour of a more equitable alternative.

....Really? There was me thinking it was the middle classes that decide elections.

To be fair though, Strolls, I’m no lover of the Tory Party either these days. I didn’t vote at the last General Election - a hangable offence to some, apparently - but to me a choice between toss and dross.

 

[cor blymie]

eight murders in London this month and a hold-up on Putney Bridge that would make Dick Turpin blush. Feeling enriched?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

eight murders in London this month and a hold-up on Putney Bridge that would make Dick Turpin blush. Feeling enriched?

It did give me some satisfaction that it was the BBC's camera they were trying to steal on Putney Bridge. No doubt BBC News will report that the moped robbers were probably from broken homes

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Did you know, if you rearrange the letters in Jeremy Corbyn & add a few more, you can spell; terrorist loving, Jew hating, Anti-British, lying Marxist traitor who is peddling schoolboy policies to a deluded & naive minority who have no idea how the real world works

That's spooky. Of course, it doesn't cover Jezza and the EU. May be his middle name is - euopportunistandfencesitter

Anagram of Diane Abbott is - obtain a debt

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Caroline Lucas was on Andrew Marr yesterday, complaining that the electorate was continually duped by self-seeking politicians, and only the Green Party deals honestly with voters

Marr then turned to the Green's demand for a second referendum on Brexit, and was castigated by Lucas for his terminology. It is not a second referendum, said Lucas, it's "a people's poll"

The irony was lost on her

 

[durbar2003]

US expels 60 Russia diplomats over poisoning

 

[seagullhoop]

Can we debunk some fake news....

I did not vote Brexit due to immigration. Although I believe we need to restrict certain undesirables from entering the UK. I had no problem with people wanting to come to the UK to study/work/live. Unfortunately, we were letting in known criminals that once in, committed crimes. That needed to stop. We also let in too many people that were just using our country for handouts or medical. I am all for helping people out but we need to sort out our own problems first.

I also agree that many people had different reasons for why they wanted to leave however they all had the same thing in common in that they wanted to leave. It just seems that people want to complicate this by saying we didn't know what we voted for, we did ...To leave, get over it!

My main reason for leaving was because the EU would never change or adapt. It has always been a closed shop and sadly the UK would have always been the little boy outside. The unelected that make the rules must not have that power over us or our laws.

The whole process has been hampered by in-house fighting, Brexit/ non-Brexit arguments. people determined to try and derail the process when you mix that all up and add David Davis you are in for a slow process.
This was always going to be a tough thing but I can see light at the end of the Channel tunnel.

"no participation in the EU institutions and decision-making."... that's really being on the outside wouldn't you say?

And you can blame everyone else... call them names 'traitors' and 'saboteurs'... but they are not in power... they are not in control of this and they didn't vote for this:

It was Davis el al who said it was going to be a cake walk - it was Davis et al who drew all the red lines... and it was Davis et al who have capitulated at every point along the process - blame everyone else if you choose, but you voted for this... I blame you and the clusterfuck you voted for.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

"no participation in the EU institutions and decision-making."... that's really being on the outside wouldn't you say?

And you can blame everyone else... call them names 'traitors' and 'saboteurs'... but they are not in power... they are not in control of this and they didn't vote for this:

It was Davis el al who said it was going to be a cake walk - it was Davis et al who drew all the red lines... and it was Davis et al who have capitulated at every point along the process - blame everyone else if you choose, but you voted for this... I blame you and the clusterfuck you voted for.

It wasn’t all Ellers’ fault, Seagull. I had a hand in it too. That it animates you thus is but the icing on the flustercuck.

 

[kiwiqpr]

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