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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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Sadly I didn't get to hear Gavin's speech but I have heard from the news what he said. I think he comes across as inexperienced. The bit I caught he was stuttering and sounded like he didn't know what he was talking about. As for the Moog, you can't knock him as he is a strong speaker and hopefully one day our PM.
I see your mate Corbyn's ratings have plummeted. People don't trust him or believe he would make a good PM. Whereas my girl May's have gone the other way. The iron lady II
Your girl May. Is that the same weak bitch you were lambasting because she gave away too much to the EU? When did you two start holding hands?
 
You are right of course despite the deaths of thousand of American and British sailors on the ships that were sunk in the Baltic that carried supply's to them Russians and the thousands of American troops that died invading Europe taking all those German soldiers away from the Eastern front. I think the only person who has been brainwashed is you and your Brain is still at the cleaners.

Yes dreadful losses
We lost men in the Baltic because of high ranking British officers removing the protection. The American invasion also the result of some dreadful planning
The German’s done themselves in

Of course these facts have only really come into the light in the last 30 years

WW2 historians have been harping on about it for years. How distorted the facts actually were. Look that’s in the past and my point is that even today we are conditioned not to trust anything Russian. The gravity of this latest episode has to me reinforced the undercurrent of cultural conditioning.

How the U.K. has again handled this event has shown imo how they play the media and people lap it all up. Does anyone imagine what actually must be going on behind the scenes on a matter like this ... yet we play everything out in our dreadful court of the media. We hop from one story to the next until serious events are then replaced by the next drama. If you choose to never question this then carry on. Anyone thought how all of a sudden Brexit is no longer news?

I say if you feel strongly about this or any other issue then get off your arse and actually do something about it
 
QT currently on
Just been told that the British Secret Service is the best in the world. More brain washing imo.

How do we even have any knowledge of these chemicals. We have these chemicals it was just stated yet we can tell these are definitely Russian and it’s Putin’s fault

2+2 = Fish

Shame on anyone who soaks this stuff up imo

From boycotting the World Cup to seizing all Russian black money ... the idiot gene gas being pumped out is doing far worse damage imo
 
Interesting... posted without 'agenda', but as an alternative perspective...

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/

Good stuff and agree it’s could be another WMD spin ... that event was brushed away was it not . Now it’s announced we are in a new Cold War FFS

What the flying **** have we become ?

Idiot gene pool are lapping it up talking high degree fluff It’s crazy

The U.K. has become a laughing stock
 
Half way through question time, what a load of old ****. It's like listening to 90% of post match interviews, no one says anything of any substance, just the same old bullshit. Late night theatre.
 
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breaking news

“May announces the expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats, she has named Seumas Milne, Andrew Murray and Chris Williamson with the names of the other 20 announced later.”
 
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yeah cheers Mr Craig David whoever you are. <doh>

To save you actually reading the piece, he was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan and has visited the Nukus chemical weapons plant.

His summary:

1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.
3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.
4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.
5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.
 
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To save you actually reading the piece, he was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan and has visited the Nukus chemical weapons plant.

His summary:

1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.
3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.
4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.
5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.

Just had a quick look at the article and 2 others by him. TBH what really stands out is the Invite Craig to Speak on the page. For a really large fee no doubt! <doh>

I also saw this headline Craig Murray goes conspiracy theory ..Again!
http://hurryupharry.org/2018/03/15/craig-murray-goes-conspiracy-theory-again/

Seems to be a lefty who lost his job and is bitter and twisted. I like the way he managed to add Isreal into the argument? Wasted 10 minutes that was.