This was what I read from you.... This is what ‘bully boy’ posted previously....... Was I wrong in questioning your assumption that Col was the only one ‘getting personal’ ? If you think I was then we’ll have to agree to differ
Ah yes, Project Fear. Scandalous propaganda. Not a bit like Project Racist on behalf of the Leave Campaign, eh? We were threatened with 70 million dirty Turks invading us at any moment and treated to Nigel Farage standing in front of a poster portraying queues of Syrian refugees ready to camp in our back gardens and rape our women. The economic arguments didn't win the referendum, the racist ones did. Now I know, Goldie, that you and Col and all the other Leave voters on here are not racist, but would you not concede that it was racism that won the day?
i thought it was all those coffin dodging bastard old age pensioners who won the day or all those knuckle dragging stupid uneducated people who won the day or the millions of lazy youngsters who couldnt be bothered to vote that lost the day now its the millions of racists who won the day whos next
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please log in to view this image Socialists have always spent much of their time seeking new titles for their beliefs, because the old versions so quickly become outdated and discredited.
At Least 6 Leave Donors Received Identical Death Threats This Week please log in to view this image At least six prominent donors to the Leave campaign have received identical death threats in the past week as part of a concerted campaign of intimidation from a group calling itself “The Real 48 Per Cent”, Guido can reveal. The chilling letters, which were typed but sent in handwritten envelopes, told the recipients: “You have stoked the fires of Brexit and led us to this moment. You can no longer be tolerated. We are coming for you. We are going to kill you”. Guido is aware of six Leave donors who have received the same letter. At least three have complained to the police. It is suspected that the sender of the letters identified the donors using this article listing the names of those who gave money to the Leave campaign. It is likely more letters were sent to other donors. The sender identified themselves as an opponent of Brexit, writing: “We were born in Britain. We live in the UK. We are European”. If you are a Leave donor who also received the letter and haven’t spoken to Guido yet, get in touch. The police would also like to hear from you… "We have watched have you have" What have the politicians done to the education system? Does nobody teach these brats to proof read?
Well looks like we have a divided nation Words won’t cure that in a hurry Tories what are they? And Labour they look equally as poor
Let’s be honest, this is all getting rather boring. My opinions on certain members on here are no secret. Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree
People voted Brexit for many reason, Strolls. Control of borders was central one, and from what I've seen, there were two aspects to this. First, security, in view of some horrific attacks in Continental Europe with terrorists moving with impunity around the Schengen Area, and Mrs Merkel taking in 1 million immigrants, mostly male and Middle Eastern/ North African, without any form of vetting. Second, the huge numbers of immigrants coming into the UK (a city the size of Birmingham every couple of years). The British are among the least racist citizens in the world (compare our attitude to members of the EU in Eastern Europe eg Hungary). Huge numbers of immigrants have been accepted into the UK in the last 50 years. In the north of England, whole towns have been taken over by immigrants. More than a third of the population in London is foreign born. This century, Blair's government decided no cap was necessary on immigration after the former communist block countries joined the EU, and huge numbers came in, far, far greater than Blair predicted. Still, only a small group of extreme right-wing headbangers march on the grounds of race. The average British family is simply concerned about the pressure on services. They want their children to be able to find a place at nearby schools and afterwards, find a house to live in nearby. They want to be able to get to work simply, without queuing on choked up roads. They want an appointment for a doctor earlier than 5 weeks. etc... It's not racism. Nor is it racist to discuss problems that mass immigration (as opposed to simple, controlled immigration) have brought, despite the fact that the Far Left are continually trying to shut down debate and no-platform speakers with whom they disagree. And only the sprinkling of right-wing headbangers would argue that after Brexit, no immigration should take place. Some fabulous people have emigrated to the UK. Immigration simply needs to be controlled now, that's all. And by the British Parliament, not unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
Don’t you find that the line over which racism is defined has both moved considerably and become massively blurred in some instances? I would hope that we would all oppose the discrimination of somebody purely because of the colour of their skin, but it feels to me at least that the R-word has been expanded to include legitimate opposition to the infiltration into one culture of another.
Very reasoned and reasonable, Goldie, but I was not suggesting that it is inherently racist to have concerns over levels of immigration - it isn't. My post was in response to the exchanges regarding the failure of the Remain campaign and 'Project Fear'. I was merely trying to point out that the Leave campaign had its own Project Fear - fear of immigrants. Farage's disgraceful poster was probably the single most influential element of the campaign, and it was racist.
The Tory's should use it for their next election campaign if it meant not being kissed by them, then it gets my vote
Personally, I don't like that poster, and if I knew nothing about Farage, it would not endear me to him - but not because it's a racist poster because I don't see that it is. I saw the relevance of the photograph as numbers not colour. What I don't like about it is it seeks to gain an electoral advantage using people, some of whom are in miserable situations having to leave their country through war. I wonder how important that poster really was. It was just putting into more images what we all knew already. I can't believe there were many that looked at it and said - Hell, I didn't realise it was that bad. We'd already seen on Sky and the BBC the boats coming over the Med, the Greek beaches packed with migrants with life-jackets, the long human chain weaving its way north to Germany, Scandinavia etc and the wire fences put up by the likes of Mr Orban of Hungary. And there was bad stuff on both sides. Remember this one?:- please log in to view this image
