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Nice editing out of the final sentence. Let's have another referendum then, though I can't understand whether you think it is 'democratic' or not.
You may well be right on the result, I would never underestimate the stubbornness of the English.
This is spurious nonsense.
You don't like the result, so you want to have another vote till you get the result you want. Of course things change over time, but either we have referendums or we don't. I wonder what your response would have been to me had the result been 52% to remain and I said we should vote again?
The EU did this to Ireland, making them vote and vote till they got the result they wanted.
Tough!
Go and live in a Socialist State where you get told what to do and think if you don't like the democracy of a referendum.
By the way, I see everyone's hero Corbyn has completely gone back on his promise to right off tuition fees. This lie may well have been the biggest reason we now have a weak government (that and the ineptitude of May and the Tories' campaign of course).
He now says he never said it, although he is quoted to have done just that and claims he didn't realise how much money was involved!!
What an inept idiot. And people want him to be PM. Good Lord!!
You voted for an outright lie on tuition fees and a party that supported leaving the EU.
What's your view about Corbyn completely lying about tuition fees and now claiming he didn't know the amount of money involved?
I voted to leave the EU.
should we have a referendum before every one of the trade deals that will be coming up
some people might not want to have secret negotiations that effect us all with russia or america
Am I the only one to see the humour in this? If telling someone to go and live somewhere else isn't telling them what to do...
So a second referendum is akin to being in a socialist state it's so anti democratic? WTF? You don't trust the British people do you Col? Especially them Scots.....none of the new information available would change your mind
As you may have noticed I am no Corbyn fan, but I think he has reneged on 50% of his tuition fees promise. The bit in the manifesto - no more tuition fees in future - is still there. His promise (and I remember him making it) to write off existing debt seems to have gone. I don't think it would make any difference to the election result.
I don't think another referendum is needed for some time. It took 40 years to get the last one remember, so why have it so soon?
Agree we are stubborn and many would be to save our democracy.
I didn't.
For me it was a simple choice in or out. If people cannot understand that its not my fault.
Corbyn never made a commitment to write off existing student debt, he made a vague response about wanting to 'deal with it'. He later admitted that he hadn't known the full cost at the time he was asked. The Labour manifesto include costed commitments on scrapping tuition fees, nothing about existing debt. No lying.
The British public were lied to during the referendum campaign and should be given the opportunity to change their minds now the lies have been exposed.
We should have had a referendum when the EU morphed from the Economic Community to the Single Market (Thatcher was an enthusiastic fan) which was the big change, because it obviously required a lot more 'harmonisation' between countries to make it work, which was inevitably political and social as well as economic. Probably also on the Lisbon Treaty, which really gave the EU a lot more centralised power. I would have liked a Euro vote as well, and would have voted yes. If enough had joined me the Leave margin last year would have been much bigger
We seem to have a big reluctance to ask the people on anything but elections and constitional issues. Which is fair enough if you can trust your elected representatives to actually represent you.
Zero, none, zilch. We cannot start substantive negotiations with anyone until we have actually left the EU, March 2019 at the earliest. We always knew this would be the case.
We cannot make any deals until we exit. Although they are making deals without letting the EU know....
