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Starmer's approval rating is pretty grim at -28 (32% approve, 60% disapprove). However, Farage's rating is worse at -38 (27% approve, 65% disapprove). Some people like Farage, for some inexplicable reason, but those that don't actively despise him. He could never become PM.
Starmer didn't win the election, the Tories lost it because they were so utterly useless no sane person would vote for them. Labour got more votes in elections they previously lost. Starmer is a lawyer not a politician and a first rate liar as he had to be to win the Labour leadership with ten pledges he binned within a couple of years of becoming leader. He spent the entire campaign refusing to answer straight questions about how his pledge on the three main taxes would work as the sums didn't add up and within a week the infamous 'black hole' appeared, the pensioners were targeted and we were told how awful things were going to be whilst he was getting suited and booted by Lord Alli.
Suddenly we went from 'the grown-ups are in charge' to riots on the streets and people being jailed for Facebook posts. It was from there that Starmer's ratings tanked and nothing will retreive that. Rachel from Accounts has compounded all that with her cretinous budget, the boats keep coming and the gangs are nowhere nearing being smashed but openly taking the piss.
Farage is simply being given open goal after open goal with the two main parties being totally out of touch as was underlined by the recent transgender ruling which both the Tories and Labour didn't have the balls to criticise or defend women's rights. Our politicians are the problem not the solution, just self-serving and totally out of touch and Farage being a very smart operator when given the chance has exploited it to his advantage. I can't see Reform breaking the 30% barrier to get a foothold with significant numbers of seats but if Labour continue with some of the goals they have at great cost such as Net Zero and taxes do have to be raised still further whilst jobs are lost due to the NI employers rise the protest votes could become more than just a few by-election wins...
A lot to unpack there.
I'm not really a fan of Starmer, but I thought he did what he needed to do to ensure that the Tories were ****ed out, and I was pleased that he did. Labour has another 4 years to show that it was worthwhile. The tax promise (which I didn't think was necessary or wise) was abided by - no increases in income tax, EEs NI, or VAT. There were mistakes made - the ERs NI increase went too far and the winter fuel thing should have been mitigated - but there have been positives, too, with junior doctors and transport workers disputes settled, NHS waiting lists coming down and a workers' rights bill passed. Progress has been also been made with European partners on dealing with the small boats issue.
Are you really blaming Starmer for the riots? These were down to inflammatory far right disinformation spread on social media after the Southport atrocity, with Farage right at the heart of it. The people that have been jailed for facebook posts are inside because they incited violence and they've pleaded guilty to having done so. I think the goverment dealt with the riots extremely well.
The thing with Farage is that he's never properly held to account by the media. He was instrumental in inflicting the disaster of Brexit on the country, he fanned the flames that grew into the conflagration on our streets after Southport, he facilitated the disastrous Tory administrations of Johnson and Truss, he thinks Trump is someone to be admired (and is already acting like a Trump mini-me after his shallow electoral gains yesterday), and claims to have been a friend of JD Vance for years. A few will admire him for these things but the vast majority of the British electorate will see him for what he is when he comes under proper scutiny in a GE campaign.
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should cost a good few million to get that ready
wouldnt it be cheaper to send them to guantanamo
Trump orders reopening of notorious Alcatraz prison
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Donald Trump says he is directing his government to reopen and expand Alcatraz, the former prison on an island off the coast of California.
In a message on his Truth Social site on Sunday, President Trump said that "for too long America has been plagued by vicious, violent, and repeat criminal offenders".
The reopening of Alcatraz would serve as a "symbol of law, order, and justice," he said.
The prison was closed in 1963, and Alcatraz Island is currently operating as a tourist site. It lies near San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge.
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Trump orders reopening of notorious Alcatraz prison
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Getty ImagesDonald Trump says he is directing his government to reopen and expand Alcatraz, the former prison on an island off the coast of California.
In a message on his Truth Social site on Sunday, President Trump said that "for too long America has been plagued by vicious, violent, and repeat criminal offenders".
The reopening of Alcatraz would serve as a "symbol of law, order, and justice," he said.
The prison was closed in 1963, and Alcatraz Island is currently operating as a tourist site. It lies near San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge.
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If an election was held tomorrow then I would hazard a guess that reform would win. I've been a Labour voter most of my life but never again. Every interview sounds like a Tory, policies as bad or worse than the Tories. 2 party politics is gone and whether that's for the better or worse, only time will tell.
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Rwanda confirms talks with US about taking in migrants
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Rwandan Foreign Minister Olivier Nduhungirehe says that Rwanda believes in giving migrants "another chance"
Rwanda is in the "early stage" of talks with the Trump administration to accept migrants deported by the US, the East African country's Foreign Affairs Minister Olivier Nduhungirehe has said.
His comments come after US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said last month that Washington was "actively searching" for countries that would take in "some of the most despicable human beings".
Nduhungirehe said the talks were "not new to us" as Rwanda had previously agreed to accept migrants deported by the UK.
However, the UK abandoned the scheme, which faced numerous legal challenges, after Sir Keir Starmer's Labour government took office last July.
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Speaking to Rwandan TV on Sunday, Nduhungirehe said the government was in the "spirit" of giving "another chance to migrants who have problems across the world".
Nduhungirehe added that the talks with the US were continuing, and it was too early to predict their outcome.
Since coming to office in January, US President Donald Trump has focused on speeding up the removal of undocumented migrants, with the promise of "mass deportations".
In February, El Salvador offered to take in criminals deported from the US, including those with US citizenship, and house them in its mega-jail.
Salvadorean President Nayib Bukele said his government would do so "in exchange for a fee".
Panama and Costa Rica have also taken in migrants deported from the US.
Last week an unnamed Rwandan official told the Washington Post that the country was "open" to taking in more migrants expelled from the US, after having accepted an Iraqi in March.
The official added that talks with the US started shortly after Trump's inauguration in January.
Rwanda has previously been criticised for its human rights record, including the risk that those sent to the East African nation could be deported again to countries where they may face danger.
However, Rwanda says it is a safe place for refugees.
Rwanda confirms talks with US about taking in migrants
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ReutersRwandan Foreign Minister Olivier Nduhungirehe says that Rwanda believes in giving migrants "another chance"
Rwanda is in the "early stage" of talks with the Trump administration to accept migrants deported by the US, the East African country's Foreign Affairs Minister Olivier Nduhungirehe has said.
His comments come after US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said last month that Washington was "actively searching" for countries that would take in "some of the most despicable human beings".
Nduhungirehe said the talks were "not new to us" as Rwanda had previously agreed to accept migrants deported by the UK.
However, the UK abandoned the scheme, which faced numerous legal challenges, after Sir Keir Starmer's Labour government took office last July.
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Speaking to Rwandan TV on Sunday, Nduhungirehe said the government was in the "spirit" of giving "another chance to migrants who have problems across the world".
Nduhungirehe added that the talks with the US were continuing, and it was too early to predict their outcome.
Since coming to office in January, US President Donald Trump has focused on speeding up the removal of undocumented migrants, with the promise of "mass deportations".
In February, El Salvador offered to take in criminals deported from the US, including those with US citizenship, and house them in its mega-jail.
Salvadorean President Nayib Bukele said his government would do so "in exchange for a fee".
Panama and Costa Rica have also taken in migrants deported from the US.
Last week an unnamed Rwandan official told the Washington Post that the country was "open" to taking in more migrants expelled from the US, after having accepted an Iraqi in March.
The official added that talks with the US started shortly after Trump's inauguration in January.
Rwanda has previously been criticised for its human rights record, including the risk that those sent to the East African nation could be deported again to countries where they may face danger.
However, Rwanda says it is a safe place for refugees.
He is going to park the criminals someplace. In Trump's mind, it is Greenland or Alcatraz.
its the number one most read item on the bbc website
someone must be interested
what would you like us all to be told newswise
A sense a touchy Catholic.
Most of the horrors of history have been down to religion. **** the Pope and **** all religions.
will this cost much
labour has made an agreement that India workers transferred to the UK and their employers won't have to pay national insurance in the UK in their first three years here.
labour has made an agreement that India workers transferred to the UK and their employers won't have to pay national insurance in the UK in their first three years here.
Lemmy is having his statue unveiled today...
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That's more interesting than the pope