Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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    Votes: 56 47.9%

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    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
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rangercol said:
Climate change is unquestionably real.
Some of it and possibly the majority of it has been hastened by the industrial revolution.
However, the earth's temperature has always fluctuated, so it may be difficult to recognise how much of the increase is simply cyclical.
The problem is, anyone saying this is immediately accused of being 'a denier'.
The latest period of heating is, but a blink of an eye in the 4.5 billion years the planet has been formed.
My main concerns are that all the protests are aimed at Britain, when we are one of the best countries in the world for reducing emissions etc. China are continuously building more and more coal fired power stations and until they and others do more, I object to the people of this country being forced to pay more and more green levies, especially at a time when the poorest are really struggling. It's no coincidence that the people who are most vocal on this issue are usually the comfortably well off.
My other gripe is the way climate change is reported.
Laura ****ing Tobin on GMB continuously screeches that we've just recorded the hottest temperature the earth has ever recorded. No, it's the hottest temperature since records began, less than 200 years ago. Still concerning, but totally misleading and she does it time and time again, along with all the MSM.
Weather forecasts also have slightly above average temperatures in scolding red whereas a few years ago those same numbers were in pale yellow.
Whilst it's real, climate change has become a runaway cash cow for government, commerce and scientists at the expense of all of us.
Some balance is all I ask.
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It's certainly right to say that the Earth's climate has always fluctuated - about a thousand years ago there was another warm period, hence the Vikings were able to undertake journeys and establish settlements in places which would not be possible now - and name Vinland after wine. We also grew Saffron in England in the early middle ages hence Saffron Waldon. We are, once again in a warm period even without man made intervention but the danger is that man's intervention will lead to this warm period getting out of control. It's certainly true to say that China is a problem as a whole, but their emissions per head are significantly below those of Germany, the USA or the UK. Also a lot of Chinese production is there to provide goods which we buy - so who is at fault there, the producer or the consumer. I am doubtfull about the whole concept of 'green' growth - the idea that we can go on consuming as before, just with other technology - like a kind of techno fix solution. What we need to do is to be able to imagine such a thing as a post growth society - where we accept that we don't need to always produce more but rather reallocate what is there more fairly.
 
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rangercol said:
Why lie all the time? Bit beneath you I reckon.
Best read what I said again.
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rangercol said:
I said this. Problem is, I don't like certain aspects surrounding the whole issue, so therefore I "don't believe the science".
I said exactly what you've posted, with the caveat that some scientists who know more than anyone on here question the degree of human contribution.
I believe, as I said, that the majority is down to the industrial revolution.
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How am I lying?

You've admitted thst you discount scientists who's views differ from your own perception of what climate change is
 
Steelmonkey said:
How am I lying?

You've admitted thst you discount scientists who's views differ from your own perception of what climate change is
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It was clumsily written, but you and you're mate both know what I meant.
I was quoting what people like you would say because I don't completely tow the line. I didn't say it in the context of the science, but other issues such as the reporting and description etc.
But then you knew that.
Stop lying.
 
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