"Strong Pound"!. It is great the £ has recovered a bit the last week. But you forget to mention that it is still down around 8% against the € and, more relevant imo as Brexit has been a burden on the € too, down about 15% against the $ since the Brexit vote.
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You are deflecting again. Every time you do it is obvious to everyone else on the Forum. You seek to expand your answer in [HASHTAG]#8129[/HASHTAG] to avoid answering a very simple question I put to you in [HASHTAG]#8126[/HASHTAG] about the self-serving question you asked Stroller in [HASHTAG]#8124[/HASHTAG]. Do you want to have a third chance to answer or fob us off?
People accept the result, it's just arguing over what it means now.
It's not a right or left thing now; Farage, IDS, Frank Field and Corbyn are brexiters, while Osborne, Cameron, Farron and Alan Johnson were remainers.
I've said it before but I hope it leads to the tories and labour splitting. Probably still be a Euroscetic Tory/UKIP government right now, rather than a one nation pro-European Tory/ social democrat labour - but it would mean the newer parties are closer aligned. Don't think a Bennite Labour Party would do much.
It's not a right or left thing now; Farage, IDS, Frank Field and Corbyn are brexiters, while Osborne, Cameron, Farron and Alan Johnson were remainers.
I've said it before but I hope it leads to the tories and labour splitting. Probably still be a Euroscetic Tory/UKIP government right now, rather than a one nation pro-European Tory/ social democrat labour - but it would mean the newer parties are closer aligned. Don't think a Bennite Labour Party would do much.
Be careful Oslo. You might get another crying baby picture, be declared an enemy of the people or accused of sour grapes for simply telling the truth. As an olive branch, it seems to me that we should all be grown up about this and accept that the value of sterling and the state of the economy will yo-yo forever. None of us will really know what the effect of the Brexit vote has been on the UK for several years to come. The Brexiteers are right to refer to the gross exaggerations of the risks of a 'Leave' vote although their collective inability to condemn their own side for the lies which won them the referendum are infuriating.
I thought we were discussing the single market? I said I knew what the implications were.
Your poll is probably as reliable as all the others of recent times.
You bang on about democracy and yet the EU is completely undemocratic.
Anyway, we just go around in circles with this.
No point!
If the babies knew what the political leaders of the most powerful nations are proposing today, they would be weeping. Having cheered in the pulling down of the wall across Europe some 27 years ago, todays President of the bastion of Freedom is planning to build a new one across North America, and have their poor neighbour pay for it. May would probably do the same if the Channel didnt exist. World peace and environment seems irrelevant to Trump, and inceasingly so to May, judging by her speech today and Johnson''s regarding Syria. Syria? Do they give a shyt about the desparation of the people caught up in that?
I feel I've entered a parallel universe.
I'll try again.
Your question was - what if the pollsters asked "would you like to leave the EU completely and have none of the benefits of the Single market?"
This pollster question, as drafted by you, would be based on a false premise. You might just as well have drafted:
"Would you like to leave the EU completely and then be shafted by an elephant."
This is because every developed country has access to the EU Single Market. America does. China does. You do not need to be a member of it to have access, but membership brings rights and obligations.
If you do not believe this addresses your question, please be specific as to what aspect you feel I have failed to answer.
So it's a fob off. I don't want to sound patronising or be accused of it so won't spell it out any further, not that it needs any further clarification. In deference to the views of others I will say no more about it. Interesting point about parallel universes. I'm sure that we all feel that way on both sides of the argument. I'm quite happy to get on with my life now and we can review this again once it has all played out over the next few years - always assuming of course that we are all still here given the increasingly paranoid and narcissistic soundbites coming from the White House. Fake Goldilocks has spent as much time talking about himself and the size of his............................inauguration crowd than world affairs in the last 48 hours.
No I want more pie charts!
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So you have a problem with our unelected PM but you don't have a problem with unelected EU leaders that tell us what we should do? Interesting.
It's not a fob off.
Goldie has answered you succinctly and precisely.
You're just being ridiculous.
TBH I think Goldie has articulated his points very well. He has spoken sense in many cases has replied well to what others have said. This is not because he probably leans more to the Brexit corner.
On the other hand you have contradictions and sour grapes.
I know who I would listen to.
On the other hand you have contradictions and sour grapes.
I know who I would listen to.
On TV here they say that the UK cannot enter into any trade deals outside of the EU until we have formally left the EU!
has the uk ever had an elected pm
i was only ever allowed to vote for my local mp
or do you now vote for a party leader
i was only ever allowed to vote for my local mp
or do you now vote for a party leader
Yes, technically you vote for your MP. I'd guess a big majority vote based on the party/its leader though.