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Barry Byrne
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As the final two depend on the votes of Conservative members, they start to sound increasingly what was expected of them and should have enacted at the last election.
Funny how they know what members want when they need votes.
It's the only way to stop the traffickers.
Apart from providing legal routes, of course.
Isn’t that kind of the point? The tiny number of people who get to decide who the next PM is are a terrible representation of Tory voters, let alone voters as a whole. If we pretend that what Sunak/Truss are promising is eventually put in place, it’s highly unlikely to be in the interests of many people at all.
Plus they’re both Tory scum ****s who deserve to be stoned, obviously.
This is fun...
“Have you found your access to eggs in any way limited? Your access to actual eggs, rather than cartoon representations of them.”
The utter ridiculousness of 'anti-woke' warriors.
I had a conversation down the pub a while back with a pal who was outraged about the owner of a pub in Cornwall who had decided to stop selling a certain beer because the brewery had links to slavery. 'When was the last time you went to that pub?', I asked. He'd never been there of course, but he was absolutely fuming about the fact that if he did ever happen to find himself there, he wouldn't be able to buy some beer that he'd never heard of before.
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“Have you found your access to eggs in any way limited? Your access to actual eggs, rather than cartoon representations of them.”
The utter ridiculousness of 'anti-woke' warriors.
I had a conversation down the pub a while back with a pal who was outraged about the owner of a pub in Cornwall who had decided to stop selling a certain beer because the brewery had links to slavery. 'When was the last time you went to that pub?', I asked. He'd never been there of course, but he was absolutely fuming about the fact that if he did ever happen to find himself there, he wouldn't be able to buy some beer that he'd never heard of before.
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Not sure whos more pathetic
the pub or your mate
Blair's performance on the NHS was not great. He pumped taxpayers' money in with no noticeable improvement, then brought in the private sector and competition which the later Tory/LD coalition continued.
I give credit to Labour for founding the NHS, but if the Left are quoting Aneurin Bevan as the solution to modern problems, it's laughable.
I think "no noticeable improvement" is a tad harsh when looking at things like waiting times data etc. My bigger gripe with New Lab is that they had the money and political capital to make the tough decisions to fundamentally transform how the NHS runs (shut down loads of cr@p DGHs, move away from single GP run practices, invest properly in prevention and public health) and they missed their shot.
Genuine question for you, Strolliosis: Let's say we introduce a slicker, more effective means of getting an asylum seeker or migrant worker to the UK, as well improve the process by which his claim to remain in the UK is assessed, but the outcome is that his claim is rejected. What would you do then? What would you do if the same individual subsequently tried to get across via illegal means? I'm just interested in where you stand on all aspects and scenarios, as one might be forgiven for thinking that some that think like you would grant indefinite leave to remain to everybody.
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On a broader level, it strikes me as odd that many asylum seekers enter the EU via Greece, Italy, Spain or whatever, then can make their way to Calais, then can make an illegal crossing of the Channel and rock up in the UK with little or no identification whatsoever. Surely, to have travelled across a significant part Europe, involving perhaps crossing a number of borders in the process, there would have been some ID checks along the way?* Surely, it ought to be incumbent on the EU to provide these migrants with some sort of ID or registration when they're processed during their journey across the nation states? If that were the case, then the UK at the very least should be telling the French that we'd return all of them not holding some sort of 'transit' card, which might contain some basic details of the holder, maybe biometric data or suchlike? These cards could be linked so that a record is maintained of family members or other groups travelling together, or data captured of the migrant's account given at their EU country of entry, do that consistencies can be checked at later stages. I wouldn't have thought that would be unreasonable and can't see why human rights or suchlike would be violated in doing so. Why wouldn't you want to create some sort of record of those entering your country? It could also be used to enable the migrant's access to certain services too.
(*I accept some will have been illegally trafficked, so perhaps were smuggled in hay carts to Calais, but presumably not all of them?)
Yes, I was referring to his early years when money alone was not deterring middle classes from moving from the NHS to private. I recall it was after he embraced the concept of using private companies in the health service that waiting lists came down.
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Nothing to do with the French not turning up to work, an anti-Brexit French police chief and the EU insisting on wet stamping passports
Looks like the UK will retaliate on passports in due course. It's so ****ing obvious what the EU is doing, because they need our money.
As a consequence on ending free movement, UK citizens can now only spend 90 days out of 180 in the EU. This is why it's now necessary for them to stamp and check passports and why border checks are taking much longer. Brexit.
Not true
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/ne...ir-passports-stamped-during-eu-border-checks/
The French are doing it to be divisive. **** 'em
Perhaps this system is in use within the EU and not in the UK. Should it be the responsibility of the EU to provide infrastructure in our ports?
It's almost as if all those trumpeting the desirability of ending free movement thought that it wouldn't apply to us.
Have you been to Europe recently? Since May, when this system was meant to be in place, I’ve had my passport stamped in the Netherlands, Germany and Greece. Once you are in the EU, ie through immigration in the country you arrive at, there are no checks moving from country to country in the Schengen area.
The 90 out of 180 days thing has to be tracked somehow.