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He looks like the bastard child of Tony Blair and the Ginger Growler bird whose name escapes me (but everybody else thinks is wonderful).
Unsurprisingly, there doesn't seem to be the same outrage on here concerning Starmer's alleged breaking of the lockdown rules as when Boris was first accused.
He may of course be innocent, but surely if found guilty, Starmer has to resign, as he has been vitriolic in his calls for Boris to go for the same offence?
Where's all that supposed outraged anger?
As it happens, I struggle to get that worked up over any of it, whilst acknowledging that some people were genuinely upset with Boris.
Presumably those same people will be just as upset with Sir Kier?
He may of course be innocent, but surely if found guilty, Starmer has to resign, as he has been vitriolic in his calls for Boris to go for the same offence?
Where's all that supposed outraged anger?
As it happens, I struggle to get that worked up over any of it, whilst acknowledging that some people were genuinely upset with Boris.
Presumably those same people will be just as upset with Sir Kier?
He has to resign, regardless of police investigation. If he doesn’t it shows he values his own job more than getting rid of Johnson. His resignation would have put massive pressure on Johnson to do the ‘honourable’ thing. But he wont, because he actually takes his lead from Johnson, showing how low our politics has sunk. Too late now, even if he does go after the police deliver their fine (surely they have to? And to your lovely Angela), he’s lost all credibility on this.
I’m not outraged by the actions, more so by the lying. From all of them.
I’ve managed to go over two years without a single face to face work meeting (until this Wednesday, when I’ll get to the office on my final work trip to the US) if all you do is talk and write, rather than make things, its really not that difficult. Not ideal, but not that difficult . These twats seem to have found it necessary to gather in large groups every day and most evenings.
Starmer's offence, if it is found to be one, doesn't seem to be on the same scale as the serial partying in number 10.
What he should do is front it up and say, 'I don't believe I've broken any rules, but if the police find that I have, and I'm fined, I'll resign. I don't believe a political leader should continue in that position if they are found to have broken the law'.
Im sure the outrage would be just as much if Starmer was the current PM breaking his own laws and rules. If found guilty and to be fined, i would personally want him to resign from his position but unfortunately our current PM has set the standards for politicians to get away with anything they want to, including breaking the law. This gutter politics is now imbedded in the uk. We have gone backwards as a country on just about everything. I honestly believe that Johnson and even Starmer are so far removed from everyday life that they dont have a ****in clue!. Youre little fancy piece Col, seems to have lived through poverty, growing up on a council estate, leaving school at 16, pregnant. I can relate much more to her than i can to some silver spooned millionaire toff, telling me to buy non branded food.
Why should he resign if he's found to have done nothing wrong?
Politicians don't always have to resign if they break the law. A speeding ticket? Their dog fouls the footpath? If Starmer receives a fine, he will surely have to resign not because of what is a minor law breach, but because he himself set out the sanction that HE believed applied. Even though many members of the public don't agree resignation is necessary.
In other words, by his sanctimonious self-righteousness, he has provided the rope to hang himself. It'll go down as one of the most remarkable cases of political suicide in history.
In other words, by his sanctimonious self-righteousness, he has provided the rope to hang himself. It'll go down as one of the most remarkable cases of political suicide in history.
I agree he wpuld have to resign. Would you apply the same logic to a man who made the rules and then broke them? I certainly would.
Rather sums up champagne socialism
I wouldn't per se, Bob, because one breach of a relatively minor law (the penalty for which is less than doing 32mph in a 30 limit) is not serious enough for resignation imo. However, if there are many more breaches involving Boris Johnson and the Sue Gray report is damning, then I suspect his MP's will force a leadership challenge.
Because doing so would have put much more pressure on Johnson and the Tories, plus even if he us ‘done nothing wrong’ it’s pretty clear that he and his entourage have been economical with the truth.
Pretty sure just the gesture of saying he would resign, had he done it early, might have been enough without having to see it through.