Off Topic The Politics Thread
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How much did you pay for your vaccines Uber.
How much have our loved one paid for Cancer therapy
How much have our loved ones paid for diabetes or hypertensive cardiovascular therapy or stroke uber.
Go to America...get ill and come back here and tell me you don't care if it is publicly owned or not.
I am assuming here that you are rich enough not to give a damn...well lucky you !
Well I am not
Why do you assume that anybody criticising the sacred NHS is advocating a US alternative? I haven’t said that. As far as I understand it, there is something to learn from some of the continental models such as the Netherlands.
Who wouldn’t like an NHS that’s fit for purpose? This one isn’t and it’s getting worse by the year. I don’t happen to think the answer lies in throwing yet more money at it.
Because not all of us are rich enough to pay for medical insurance..
Who are going to pay to keep your low paid workers fit enough to empty your bins, run your sewage works, stock your shelves, pick your crops...
Average 5 year survival rates for a basket of cancers - breast, lung, prostate, stomach - US world ranking 2, U.K. world ranking 30. Regardless of insurance status.
Why always compare to the US in such a negative way? Compare, if you must, with other ‘socialised’ health systems, like the rest of Western Europe. Germany, Spain, France, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, Portugal, Austria, Norway, Finland, all rank better than us as well.
We’ve all paid through income tax and national insurance. It’s not free unless you don’t pay tax.
Not in the slightest, particularly after my divorce. What difference would it make if I was, though, and what business is it of yours?
If you read back, I said I don’t care whether the NHS is publicly or privately owned. I’d like it to be fit for purpose. I’d like easy access for me, my loved ones and even you to the things we’re taxed for. Why is that too much to ask for?
Because quite plainly...if it is privatised...it will not be fit for purpose in maintaining the health of our increasing poor work force.
When ourwork force cannot access health care, it will degenerate... and our production and economy will disintegrate.
Except for the fat cats that are reaping it from the rich people at the top.
Basic economics Ubers
You’re still fixated on the US model.
Thanks for the economics lesson. What do you think went wrong with the South Sea Bubble?
You’re getting a little hysterical now. I don’t think you like me much.
"Like" is immaterial here Ubers. I don't know you at all...other than on here...
And on here I don't dislike you at all.... I save all my dislike for "ButtHuber "
This is a rational argument nothing to do with like or dislike
I believe it was a ponzi scheme, lots of speculation...and get rich quick merchants.
What's your explanation Uber
So try seeing beyond the US model. Why is it hard to imagine a model where the government still collects our NI contributions but the range of healthcare services available below are organised in such a way as to be more effective. For example, GPs and dentists employed through an NHS and referrals to consultants, surgeons etc. via a contract between the NHS and private providers. Just an example; not one I’m necessarily proposing, but health services could better be organised to provide greater value for money for all, not just filthy rich oligarchs like me.
Unfortunately Beth, you are fitting perfectly into that example of shutting down any discussion about the NHS, immediately assuming that it's the rich wanting to privatise it.
The NHS needs radical reform, NOT more money and class based rhetoric.
Frankly, if I was rich (whatever that means) then I wouldn’t give two hoots about the NHS as I’d be buying all the best of private healthcare anyway.
But it’s not fit for purpose to do that now. Ubes wasn’t making a political point, he was just saying the NHS doesn’t feel very good from his perspective.
And the rest of your argument doesn’t stand the test of evidence either. Your argument would assume that state owned healthcare nations would also be the most productive. The US ranks 5 in productivity, the U.K., with its workforce cared for from cradle to grave, ranks 15.
Where the U.K. system wins is in costs. Its cheap compared to the ones that are better. But that doesn’t make it good, does it?
would a private company want anything to do with owning the nhs
without googling it i assume the tories have spent more time in power since the nhs was founded
yet still people insist they want to sell it
cant they find anyone that wants it
even chelscum has bidders
without googling it i assume the tories have spent more time in power since the nhs was founded
yet still people insist they want to sell it
cant they find anyone that wants it
even chelscum has bidders