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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Stroller said:
I'm comfortable in my political skin Stainesy, which is categorically not Neo-Liberal (look up the definition of the term). You, however, seem rather conflicted.
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If you say so you old Neo-Liberal, you. I’ve always been honest with my past mistaken political beliefs and feel comfortable where I am now thanks……whereas I think you’re probably still on that journey
 
Willhoops said:
So they have no right wing presenters? Oh dear the JOB obsession is strong with some
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Wills along with many others I stopped listening to LBC when they had a cull of the best presenters. It’s now the James O Brien anti Brexit show.
You should mention the poll that was on Twitter recently where Starmer got a low figure from Labour voters who thought he was bland and boring.
there are polls and like the Trump/Tory/Brexit ones, can be completely wrong.
For you a cake maybe the highlight of politics but for many others there are more important things happening.
 
Willhoops said:
It’s the sheer number of breaches that show the utter contempt they have and believe their supporters will excuse whatever they do.
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Im not disagreeing with this at all…….but hopefully some of those “new supporters” might wake up.
But I still feel……him having a party really isn’t that important
 
Staines R's said:
Im not disagreeing with this at all…….but hopefully some of those “new supporters” might wake up.
But I still feel……him having a party really isn’t that important
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Like it’s been explained a party isn’t important, a government that implements rules and absolutely piss all over them whilst others miss saying goodbye to loved ones.. yeah that’s taking the piss a bit too much for a lot.
 
I might buy a cake for my Mrs upcoming birthday. I will get them to deliver it to her at work so she can enjoy with her team. I will tell her not to enjoy it though… just in case.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Yes, JRM's cake point might work if there hadn't been other parties. In other words, Boris was ambushed with a birthday cake. Most people would accept that a cake presented on someone's birthday at work is not a party. But of course, there were other parties.

The question, which hopefully Gray will answer, is the extent to which Boris Johnson organised or if not, knew about and consented to, all these parties. There is one fundamental difference between what happened at no 10 to the Ferguson case however. The people at No 10 were all working in proximity to one another (assuming no one was invited from outside) whereas Ferguson allowed a third party, his mistress, into his home.

I've no doubt all this came about because of a climate of ill discipline at No 10 created at the top ie Boris Johnson. Whether allowing such a climate to exist is a resigning matter, or whether responsibility lies solely with those civil servants who took advantage of the climate, remains to be seen.
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to be honest, if we're going to blame putin for all the rogue happenings from russian mercenaries in other countries, then i'm going to have to blame boris for his rogue ministers having a jolly
 
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Staines R's said:
Still makes you a hypocrite though Strolls. However much you try and sugar coat it.
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think there are different shades of grey here staines.

Have you ever paid in cash so that a business can avoid tax/VAT? You've probably helped fraud and in doing so you're no better than the billions doled out in tax fraud.

Likewise have you ever called chelsea, chavski, called Roman abramovic a russian (insert insult). That's got to be in the racism scale of some sort (is xenophobia and racism the same?)?
 
Staines R's said:
If you say so you old Neo-Liberal, you. I’ve always been honest with my past mistaken political beliefs and feel comfortable where I am now thanks……whereas I think you’re probably still on that journey
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OK then Stainesy, let's nail this shall we? Your political name-calling does bug me, as I'm sure you realise, which would be why you continue with it. It's a mild form of bullying.

ADJECTIVE
neo-liberal (adjective)

Favouring policies that promote free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.

I don't believe in untrammelled free-market capitalism, quite the opposite. I believe that markets should be highly regulated and that natural monopolies should be state-owned.

I don't believe in deregulation. Workers' rights, animal rights and the environment should all continue to be protected by law.

I don't believe in reducing government spending. I favour high taxation and high government spending - a bigger state, not a smaller one.

Oh, and I'm not middle class, I don't go to Pret and I hate coffee.

I'm a sensitive soul, aren't I?
 
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BobbyD said:
think there are different shades of grey here staines.

Have you ever paid in cash so that a business can avoid tax/VAT? You've probably helped fraud and in doing so you're no better than the billions doled out in tax fraud.

Likewise have you ever called chelsea, chavski, called Roman abramovic a russian (insert insult). That's got to be in the racism scale of some sort (is xenophobia and racism the same?)?
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Agree with you Bobby…..and of course I’m happy to admit to my hypocrisy.
Whereas some like to take the moral high ground.

And of course….”Everyone’s a little bit racist”
 
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Stroller said:
OK then Stainesy, let's nail this shall we? Your political name-calling does bug me, as I'm sure you realise, which would be why you continue with it. It's a mild form of bullying.

ADJECTIVE
neo-liberal (adjective)

Favouring policies that promote free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.

I don't believe in untrammelled free-market capitalism, quite the opposite. I believe that markets should be highly regulated and that natural monopolies should be state-owned.

I don't believe in deregulation. Workers' rights, animal rights and the environment should all continue to be protected by law.

I don't believe in reducing government spending. I favour high taxation and high government spending - a bigger state, not a smaller one.

Oh, and I'm not middle class, I don't go to Pret and I hate coffee.

I'm a sensitive soul, aren't I?
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You are very sensitive Strolls…..but I expect that from a Neo-Liberal
 
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Anyone who thinks all this current farce is just over a cake must be very stupid. It would be great to concentrate on the current situations like the constant rises in costs of living, the impending national jnsurance hike etc but unfortunately the government of the day has brought all this upon themselves.
 
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bobmid said:
Anyone who thinks all this current farce is just over a cake must be very stupid. It would be great to concentrate on the current situations like the constant rises in costs of living, the impending national jnsurance hike etc but unfortunately the government of the day has brought all this upon themselves.
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Of course. We need a government that can concentrate on all the important issues facing the country. This government can't with its current leader. Get rid.

I see Rees-Mogg is saying that there would have to be a GE if Johnson is deposed by the Tory party. Quite right.
 
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