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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
ELLERS said:
The problem is Chaz, is that you knock 'Leavers' and you waffle on about: £350 million a week, reductions in immigration, a sudden freedom to trade outside the EU blah blah blah.
The one thing you have never once, Never once calculated into you are argument is......
wait for it...
We haven't left yet! So before you make all these 'doom and gloom' predictions, at least wait until it can be proved. come back with all your pessimistic crap after we are out, until then go on a few marches or sign the online petition.
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I CAN prove that we have no chance of spending another £350 million a week on the NHS. It's been admitted by Leave campaigners that immigration won't get any better. These have all been admitted by the Leave camp!!! Really - are you deliberately winding people up by not listening to what the Leave campaigners are now admitting?

Oh - and if you want to shut up dissenting voices, then you've clearly got no argument. In fact, your posts have been devoid of any actual comment for a while now. No original thoughts or actual supporting evidence to back your side up?
 
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sb_73 said:
On a point of fact, members of the EU cannot make bilateral trade deals with non EU countries, it all needs to be done under the umbrella of the EU. Which makes sense, because if you import something to the UK with no tariffs you could then re-export it into another EU country tariff free, when it should attract a charge. Likewise a German machine could be sent tariff free to the UK and then re- exported to the third country.
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We've been signing bilateral agreements with China and India for the past decade. without EU involvement. So I'm not buying that...

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...deals-agreed-during-prime-minister-modi-visit
 
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Chaz said:
Oh - and if you want to shut up dissenting voices, then you've clearly got no argument. In fact, your posts have been devoid of any actual comment for a while now. No original thoughts or actual supporting evidence to back your side up?
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Oops i have upset a 'Remainer' <doh> Watch out WWIII is coming! What happened to that Brexit budget?
 
Bloody Hell Theresa May just shut up Caroline Lucus and some Scottish MP in one kick fire response. Well done Theresa! Good start to your job.
classic, she said to the Scottish MP if you don't want the jobs we will take them away. The Irish MP then said if Scotland doesn't want the jobs/subs Northern Ireland would have them. Followed by a close up on a quite bunch of SNP.
 
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Chaz said:
Well you ignored the many thousands of professionals and experts who said that we should stay in the EU. What's the harm in dismissing the opinion of one more expert?

Of course, you could always go do some empirical research and not listen to anyone else. That's what I did pre-referendum. It's just a shame that more people didn't do that...
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Oh my god give it a rest for ****'s sake!
People like you are talking down the economy which will work like a self fulfilling prophecy.
The money men are talking it down in order to profit from the down turn. All you're doing is helping them.
Stop whining about the result and deal with it.
 
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rangercol said:
Oh my god give it a rest for ****'s sake!
People like you are talking down the economy which will work like a self fulfilling prophecy.
The money men are talking it down in order to profit from the down turn. All you're doing is helping them.
Stop whining about the result and deal with it.
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Spot on.
 
sb_73 said:
Japanese tech group buys ARM, one of UKs leading tech companies for £24bn, a £2.4bn saving on 23 June. Not necessarily a bad thing, we could see a wave of foreign acquisitions of British companies as the weakness of sterling makes the good ones cheap. As long as there is inward investment and jobs are maintained or even better created, no problem for me, business is international. May be an issue for those, including Theresa May apparently, who don't like seeing our 'national assets' sold off to foreigners. Though surely they would have to be nationalised national assets for this argument to make any sense. The 'nation' doesn't own any of ARM it's only interest is in the tax take from the company and its employees, its owned by its shareholders.
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That's a good one - a Tory PM that doesn't want to see our assets sold off to foreigners. Hammond says this proves Britain is open for business. Well, if you can call a fire sale open for business.
 
rangercol said:
Oh my god give it a rest for ****'s sake!
People like you are talking down the economy which will work like a self fulfilling prophecy.
The money men are talking it down in order to profit from the down turn. All you're doing is helping them.
Stop whining about the result and deal with it.
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No. I am entitled to keep pointing out the flaws in the Leave argument, none of which have been addressed. If you want a country where only your opinion can be voiced, then go find one.
 
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sb_73 said:
Those are investment agreements not trade treaties.

I don't want to get into one of these long circular arguments you specialise in Chaz, so I'll leave it there.
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Long specialised arguments? You mean facts? OK, I thought you were interested in those. Apparently not...
 
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ELLERS said:
I have moved on twice but keep seeing 'doom and gloom' merchants Sb.
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Not me. I accept Brexit will happen and I want it to be as good as it possibly can be. My views on ARM have nothing to do with Brexit. I would have said the same if the referendum result had been "Remain" or if we'd never had the referendum. A great UK tech company that currently controls its own destiny will have its bosses outside the UK from now on. I know what this could mean in the medium to longer term, based on my experience of other UK tech companies being bought by foreign competitors for their know-how. It's where I spent 35 years of my working life.

Who were you listening to, Ellers, when you heard an expert say the complete opposite earlier today? I'm open to learning new things and changing my mind, you know.

I repeat - this is not about Brexit, just about a foreign company buying ARM and what might happen next.
 
Well, so much for debate. So much for not getting personal, and so much for respecting other people's views. I guess that's not how you do stuff, Col.
 
Stroller said:
That's a good one - a Tory PM that doesn't want to see our assets sold off to foreigners. Hammond says this proves Britain is open for business. Well, if you can call a fire sale open for business.
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Hi Stroller. Surely a 'fire sale' in the context of the sale of a business refers to a situation in which the shareholders dispose of a distressed asset at less than its perceived market- or net asset value, generally because it has reached the point at which good money after bad is required to keep it spinning?

As usual I don't know the facts, but the market generally sets the price. Presumably, ARM became attractive to the Japanese acquirer because the FX rate movement made it so. Maybe at the higher price it was deemed to costly.

Lexical semantics perhaps, but this might well be an opportunistic acquisition, but not sure it was a fire sale.
 
Uber_Hoop said:
Hi Stroller. Surely a 'fire sale' in the context of the sale of a business refers to a situation in which the shareholders dispose of a distressed asset at less than its perceived market- or net asset value, generally because it has reached the point at which good money after bad is required to keep it spinning?

As usual I don't know the facts, but the market generally sets the price. Presumably, ARM became attractive to the Japanese acquirer because the FX rate movement made it so. Maybe at the higher price it was deemed to costly.

Lexical semantics perhaps, but this might well be an opportunistic acquisition, but not sure it was a fire sale.
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Lexical semantics aside, would you say this sale is something to be celebrated Uber?
 
Stroller said:
Lexical semantics aside, would you say this sale is something to be celebrated Uber?
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Dunno. Businesses get bought and sold all the time. Them wot own the shares are free to sell them if the price offered is sufficiently attractive. Who's to say they weren't lining up a bid anyway, but the FX rate made it irresistible?
 
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