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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

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    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
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Stroller said:
A good speech by Starmer today to the TUC conference, glowingly praised by Len McCluskey no less. His condemnation of Fire and Re-Hire should please @Staines R's.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...ling-of-coronavirus/ar-BB1941gL?ocid=msedgdhp
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Sadly it’s too late now for most of my ex-colleagues at British Airways. Forced out of their jobs and made to reapply for another vacancy, not knowing the conditions, pay or anything about what their new role would mean.
And when they did find out....things like lower pay, less holiday and being forced to take unpaid leave at the companies behest. And this was to people who had worked there for 20-30 years plus. Meanwhile the outgoing chairman walks away with £3 million in his pocket.
Thank you EU for your protection of workers rights and conditions.....and some wonder why I’m cynical.
 
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Staines R's said:
Sadly it’s too late now for most of my ex-colleagues at British Airways. Forced out of their jobs and made to reapply for another vacancy, not knowing the conditions, pay or anything about what their new role would mean.
And when they did find out....things like lower pay, less holiday and being forced to take unpaid leave at the companies behest. And this was to people who had worked there for 20-30 years plus. Meanwhile the outgoing chairman walks away with £3 million in his pocket.
Thank you EU for your protection of workers rights and conditions.....and some wonder why I’m cynical.
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Forget the EU, it's the Tories you should be pointing fingers at.
 
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Staines R's said:
Sadly it’s too late now for most of my ex-colleagues at British Airways. Forced out of their jobs and made to reapply for another vacancy, not knowing the conditions, pay or anything about what their new role would mean.
And when they did find out....things like lower pay, less holiday and being forced to take unpaid leave at the companies behest. And this was to people who had worked there for 20-30 years plus. Meanwhile the outgoing chairman walks away with £3 million in his pocket.
Thank you EU for your protection of workers rights and conditions.....and some wonder why I’m cynical.
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I sympathise with all the workers affected but not sure why you keep pointing the finger at the EU?

I.A.G. is a private company with Head Office's in Madrid and London and nothing to do with the E.U.
 
finglasqpr said:
I sympathise with all the workers affected but not sure why you keep pointing the finger at the EU?

I.A.G. is a private company with Head Office's in Madrid and London and nothing to do with the E.U.
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The point I’m making Fin is that there are many on here and elsewhere who say the EU protects workers rights and their conditions of employment.
I’m saying that is a load of old bollox and the EU don’t give a **** about workers rights and their conditions of employment.
 
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Staines R's said:
The point I’m making Fin is that there are many on here and elsewhere who say the EU protects workers rights and their conditions of employment.
I’m saying that is a load of old bollox and the EU don’t give a **** about workers rights and their conditions of employment.
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The E.U. in the case of British Airways/I.A.G. can not interfere in what goes on in a private company. It is up to the local governments concerned to do something if local laws/workers rights are not being respected. Your ex-colleagues should get on to the local MP's.
 
finglasqpr said:
The E.U. in the case of British Airways/I.A.G. can not interfere in what goes on in a private company. It is up to the local governments concerned to do something if local laws/workers rights are not being respected. Your ex-colleagues should get on to the local MP's.
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Believe me they have, and a big up to Huw Merriman MP who has long since fought their cause, but according to some on here and elsewhere we live in a workers utopia, all due to the fact that the EU enshrines our rights as workers and that once we leave the EU, those rights will be eroded and gone..leaving the Tory government to enslave is all.

Im saying we never had those rights in the first place and as has been proven it seems, big business can do what the **** they want with no comeback whatsoever.
 
Staines R's said:
Believe me they have, and a big up to Huw Merriman MP who has long since fought their cause, but according to some on here and elsewhere we live in a workers utopia, all due to the fact that the EU enshrines our rights as workers and that once we leave the EU, those rights will be eroded and gone..leaving the Tory government to enslave is all.

Im saying we never had those rights in the first place and as has been proven it seems, big business can do what the **** they want with no comeback whatsoever.
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I wouldn’t go that far, but the respective records of the EU and the Tories on workers’ rights speak for themselves.
 
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Staines R's said:
The point I’m making Fin is that there are many on here and elsewhere who say the EU protects workers rights and their conditions of employment.
I’m saying that is a load of old bollox and the EU don’t give a **** about workers rights and their conditions of employment.
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The EU does provide protections to workers' rights, which is partly why this government doesn't want to sign up to the Level Playing Field - it wants to be able undercut the EU on rights. You may well think that the protections don't go far enough, and I would agree with you, but a Tory government unfettered by the EU will erode rights even further.
 
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Stroller said:
The EU does provide protections to workers' rights, which is partly why this government doesn't want to sign up to the Level Playing Field - it wants to be able undercut the EU on rights. You may well think that the protections don't go far enough, and I would agree with you, but a Tory government unfettered by the EU will erode rights even further.
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Well it seems in the case of British Airways, there are no protections in place whatsoever Strolls, and that a contract of employment isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Agreed the Tories will do their utmost to take things further, however at least we can do something about them.....hopefully.
 
Stroller said:
The EU does provide protections to workers' rights, which is partly why this government doesn't want to sign up to the Level Playing Field - it wants to be able undercut the EU on rights. You may well think that the protections don't go far enough, and I would agree with you, but a Tory government unfettered by the EU will erode rights even further.
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Staines, this is the truth. Lets see where your colleagues are in a few years time. They will be even lower paid with worse conditions.

I honestly wish them all the best. I don't like to see aviation workers getting treated the way they are at the moment, all over the world it seems. This virus is causing havoc with this and other industries. Good luck to your buddies, I hope your local MP can get a result for them.
 
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