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Caroline Flint gone.
I’ve got a consolation for her. I’ve made it myself.
Stroller, Norway, West Windsor, Frome et al, ..................
Your boy took a hell of a beating, one hell of a beating.
The unelectable was indeed unelected, and all Comrade Jezzbollah could do was blame the media for attacking him and his wife, not once Did he accept it was the fact he was and is simply not PM material, and the fact his manifesto was simply un-deliverable.
Goodbye Comrade corbynski, goodbye to the lunatic left !!!!
Your boy took a hell of a beating, one hell of a beating.
The unelectable was indeed unelected, and all Comrade Jezzbollah could do was blame the media for attacking him and his wife, not once Did he accept it was the fact he was and is simply not PM material, and the fact his manifesto was simply un-deliverable.
Goodbye Comrade corbynski, goodbye to the lunatic left !!!!
Jo Swinson Gone again!
That must be an error, she’s Britain’s next prime minister!?
One of the biggest hypocrites in politics.
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Jo Swinson losing her seat is hilarious .
Remain would win a second referendum?
Lol.
Remain would win a second referendum?
Lol.
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Very surprised...
Reading this through on my way to work...shocking stuff for labour. I've wondered this for a while, but surely now it is all set up for David Milliband to return and prove they picked the wrong brother.
Reading this through on my way to work...shocking stuff for labour. I've wondered this for a while, but surely now it is all set up for David Milliband to return and prove they picked the wrong brother.
Corbyn was an utter pillock for his Brexit stance and that undoubtedly cost him this election. Had the opposition parties accepted the result of the 2016 referendum on EU membership and voted through either May or Johnson's deals, I reckon Labour could have done well at this GE at the expense of the Tories. My faith in the general public is restored. By and large, people wanted Brexit done. Corbyn didn't listen to the Labour heartlands and it has cost him dearly.
Mind you, the Tories now have their work cut out. Once Brexit is delivered they will again become deeply unpopular in those regions unless they come up with a formula for protecting and creating jobs and improving the working family's quality of life. It's a huge challenge for the party that's not seen as the champion of that demographic, but Johnson is going to have to work this out PDQ or likely get trounced at the next election.
Scotland is almost unsolvable for the Tories. The divisions are too wide. I'm not sure how he can deliver a sufficient enough sop to the Scots without kowtowing excessively to Wee Jimmy Krankie. We can't afford adversarial engagement with the SNP, despite Brain Sturgeon's rhetoric throughout this campaign. Johnson has to reach out and deliver something there.
As usual, the electorate turn to the Tories to sort out a mess - OK, started by that git Cameron in the first place, but exacerbated by a crap parliament - and doing so will make them unpopular. It has always been thus.
Johnson has to somehow position his party more into the centre ground without too much compromising core conservative values (or what's left of them anyway). Difficult for somebody that was forced to lurch to the right to get to where we are now.
Personally, I think he and Cummings have played a blinder. You can't tell me that a strategy wasn't mapped out. You could sense the mood of the electorate was very different to that within the House and each defeat, each setback, each apparent parliamentary stitch-up has been seen as a parliament not acting in the interests of the majority of people that put it there.
I've come across so many people the voted Remain, but then accepted the result in 2016 and, like proper supporters of democracy, switched to wanting Brexit done. There were far fewer Leavers that jumped the other way and those that did didn't generally want Remain, but a second referendum.
For me, the passion of the Leavers was far, far stronger than that of the Remainers. Had Brexit been sufficiently important to many of the 48% that voted Remain, they'd have gone with the Nambies, despite their individual personal core political values, in the same way that Labour Leavers went with the Tories. But, instead, they stuck to their knitting and voted Corbyn and it has cost them dearly. It was clear that Labour under Corbyn was unelectable - only a blind socialist couldn't see this and they let their hatred of the Tories overshadow everything else.
This General Election, to me, feels like it was about leaving the EU if you voted Leave, but about your traditional political affiliations if you voted Remain. That seems to have been borne out by the result last night.
But, as I said, the Tories need to beware. Once Brexit is done, the old battle lines are redrawn and its all to play for again.
Footnote: it's a shame we can't play Corbyn every week - he's the Kinnock of the current times.
Mind you, the Tories now have their work cut out. Once Brexit is delivered they will again become deeply unpopular in those regions unless they come up with a formula for protecting and creating jobs and improving the working family's quality of life. It's a huge challenge for the party that's not seen as the champion of that demographic, but Johnson is going to have to work this out PDQ or likely get trounced at the next election.
Scotland is almost unsolvable for the Tories. The divisions are too wide. I'm not sure how he can deliver a sufficient enough sop to the Scots without kowtowing excessively to Wee Jimmy Krankie. We can't afford adversarial engagement with the SNP, despite Brain Sturgeon's rhetoric throughout this campaign. Johnson has to reach out and deliver something there.
As usual, the electorate turn to the Tories to sort out a mess - OK, started by that git Cameron in the first place, but exacerbated by a crap parliament - and doing so will make them unpopular. It has always been thus.
Johnson has to somehow position his party more into the centre ground without too much compromising core conservative values (or what's left of them anyway). Difficult for somebody that was forced to lurch to the right to get to where we are now.
Personally, I think he and Cummings have played a blinder. You can't tell me that a strategy wasn't mapped out. You could sense the mood of the electorate was very different to that within the House and each defeat, each setback, each apparent parliamentary stitch-up has been seen as a parliament not acting in the interests of the majority of people that put it there.
I've come across so many people the voted Remain, but then accepted the result in 2016 and, like proper supporters of democracy, switched to wanting Brexit done. There were far fewer Leavers that jumped the other way and those that did didn't generally want Remain, but a second referendum.
For me, the passion of the Leavers was far, far stronger than that of the Remainers. Had Brexit been sufficiently important to many of the 48% that voted Remain, they'd have gone with the Nambies, despite their individual personal core political values, in the same way that Labour Leavers went with the Tories. But, instead, they stuck to their knitting and voted Corbyn and it has cost them dearly. It was clear that Labour under Corbyn was unelectable - only a blind socialist couldn't see this and they let their hatred of the Tories overshadow everything else.
This General Election, to me, feels like it was about leaving the EU if you voted Leave, but about your traditional political affiliations if you voted Remain. That seems to have been borne out by the result last night.
But, as I said, the Tories need to beware. Once Brexit is done, the old battle lines are redrawn and its all to play for again.
Footnote: it's a shame we can't play Corbyn every week - he's the Kinnock of the current times.
But was she getting in or out of the Ferrari
Starmer? Mr non-entity himself who more than anyone else persuaded Labour to change its stance from accepting the result of the 1st referendum to calling for a second one? A clear, sensible and democractic strategy abandoned because the London elite refused to accept the outcome in 2016. I remain to be convinced.
Yes Mad Anna is off to the asylum and Chuck-Up got chucked out as well. I think all the defectors lost their seats...
Unlikely any of the Centre Labour big guns will take over with Momentum in control, it'll be another Marxist and they'll become a fringe party. Momentum are the problem not the solution...
Classy as ever Turkish. Much as its nice to have ones name in lights I'm not Corbyn's biggest fan and I have never voted Labour so not sure how he's my boy. That said I'd easily prefer him to the nightmare we now have. Anyway the result is what is and everyone has an opinion on where it was lost and won. You boys are getting your Hard Brexit so let's hope you were all right all along and the future is going to be as wonderful as you all say. You can carry on with your gloating now.
Christ on a bike!! All I've heard this morning is Momentum supporters and Corbyn supporters completely burying their heads in the sand.
Everything is down to the right wing press apparently (I'm not sure many right wing papers are bought north of Birmingham) and Corbyn's policies are hugely popular.
Again, despite a huge landslide vote, the people didn't know what they were voting for apparently.
Despite reasonable, Labour members and supporters saying the complete opposite.
These people are delusional.
Everything is down to the right wing press apparently (I'm not sure many right wing papers are bought north of Birmingham) and Corbyn's policies are hugely popular.
Again, despite a huge landslide vote, the people didn't know what they were voting for apparently.
Despite reasonable, Labour members and supporters saying the complete opposite.
These people are delusional.
I guess 'Hacked-Off Hugh' will be seriously hacked off this morning along with smug Steve Coogan and poor Lily-livid Allen. Black flag day for the Luvvies...
It's hardly a hard brexit it though is it?
Farage and other hard liners hate it.
I actually think a softer brexit, like the one in the present agreement is fair considering nearly half the country didn't want it at the referendum.
I guess 'Hacked-Off Hugh' will be seriously hacked off this morning along with smug Steve Coogan and poor Lily-livid Allen. Black flag day for the Luvvies...
Last night, Coogan was whining about how thick brexit voters are etc etc.
So condescending.
Just woke up and saw Labour passed the 200 mark... gutted
I know this must be their worse defeat since 1930’s (as they said last night).
I don’t know if he beat Foot’s disaster. Must be as bad.
I hear made Anna has gone as well
close the door on the way out.
For those who mocked me...
I know this must be their worse defeat since 1930’s (as they said last night).I don’t know if he beat Foot’s disaster. Must be as bad.
I hear made Anna has gone as well
close the door on the way out.For those who mocked me...