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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
GoldhawkRoad said:
Not a question of right or wrong for you, Stainsy. Wiki on Williamson has a helpful paragraph.
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I did look on Wiki originally Goldie and honestly couldn’t find anything specific. Plenty of anti Israeli stuff I certainly agree but anti Jewish ?
He talked of ‘dark forces involved’ (from memory).....wasn’t that the same time that an Israeli official was secretly filmed admitting to be involved in smearing Corbyn and Labour as anti-Semitic ?
Is no one now able to criticise the state of Israel without being accused of being anti-Jewish ?
 
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Staines R's said:
I did look on Wiki originally Goldie and honestly couldn’t find anything specific. Plenty of anti Israeli stuff I certainly agree but anti Jewish ?
He talked of ‘dark forces involved’ (from memory).....wasn’t that the same time that an Israeli official was secretly filmed admitting to be involved in smearing Corbyn and Labour as anti-Semitic ?
Is no one now able to criticise the state of Israel without being accused of being anti-Jewish ?
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He said Labour had given too much ground and been too apologetic over the complaints by Jewish members and MP's.
 
Stroller said:
This is what gets me, Goldie. Johnson's deal is hard Brexit. Farage's 'clean break' (aka no Deal) is mad Brexit. Remember all the stuff about Farage promoting a Norway deal? Win an inch, take a mile.
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Well, the voter has the chance to decide. This will be a Brexit election and I doubt whether the domestic stuff will feature strongly, even if Corbyn wants it to
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
Well, the voter has the chance to decide. This will be a Brexit election and I doubt whether the domestic stuff will feature strongly, even if Corbyn wants it to
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My point was that the Brexit election is going well so far for Johnson.

If domestic stuff takes centre stage, it will get worse for him.
 
Staines R's said:
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There’s what he said. I see no attacks on Jewish people personally and no defence of anti- semites in the Labour Party.
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This doesn't sound great though, when measured against a Jewish Labour MP who had to have police protection at the Labour Party conference. Surely you do more not less when members of a religious minority are receiving vile abuse and death threats from within the party?
 
Stroller said:
Yeah, Labour aren't going to win, but it's looking more likely that the Tories won't either.
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two of the latest polls

Tories leap eight points to open up 17-point lead
RESULT: Con 41%, Lab 24%, Lib Dem 20%, Brexit Party 7%, Green 3%.

Labour trailing 15 points behind as voters 'bored and fearful'
RESULT: Con 36%, Lab 21%, Lib Dem 18%, Brexit Party 12%, Green 6%.
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
This doesn't sound great though, when measured against a Jewish Labour MP who had to have police protection at the Labour Party conference. Surely you do more not less when members of a religious minority are receiving vile abuse and death threats from within the party?
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Too many deniers Goldie. They won't accept evidence. Even if I found that fab radio interview about jezza from inside, they would rubbish it.
 
ELLERS said:
two of the latest polls

Tories leap eight points to open up 17-point lead
RESULT: Con 41%, Lab 24%, Lib Dem 20%, Brexit Party 7%, Green 3%.

Labour trailing 15 points behind as voters 'bored and fearful'
RESULT: Con 36%, Lab 21%, Lib Dem 18%, Brexit Party 12%, Green 6%.
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You don't believe polls though, Ellers.

I believe more in the bookies, who make No Overall Majority a shade of odds-on now.
 
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GoldhawkRoad said:
This doesn't sound great though, when measured against a Jewish Labour MP who had to have police protection at the Labour Party conference. Surely you do more not less when members of a religious minority are receiving vile abuse and death threats from within the party?
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They were ill judged comments for sure....but anti-Semitic or attacks on Jewish people ? Really ?
 
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Stroller said:
You don't believe polls though, Ellers.

I believe more in the bookies, who make No Overall Majority a shade of odds-on now.
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I cant believe this! <doh> Why didn't I post that as well? William hill has Tories at 5/6 and Labour at 16/1 I believe evens for hung parliament.
I cant see it myself but a lot can happen in 6 weeks.

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I don't normally believe in 1 or 2 polls Stroller, that is correct but when every poll has near enough the same information, then I take note.
 
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ELLERS said:
I cant believe this! <doh> Why didn't I post that as well? William hill has Tories at 5/6 and Labour at 16/1 I believe evens for hung parliament.
I cant see it myself but a lot can happen in 6 weeks.

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I don't normally believe in 1 or 2 polls Stroller, that is correct but when every poll has near enough the same information, then I take note.
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You've already shown, in your exchanges with Raving, your bewildering lack of understanding of how opinion polls work, Ellers.

The bookies initially had a Tory Majority as the slight favourite, but they now have No Overall Majority as the slight favourite. A small change, but significant, I think.
 
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