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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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  2. Get out

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  1. Bwood_Ranger

    Bwood_Ranger 2023 Funniest Poster

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    Is it? I’d like to know more
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Jeremy Corbin MP, Prime Ministerial Parody‏@CorbynSnap Aug 9
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    If I hadn’t totally ignored a vote of no-confidence by my MPs in my role as Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition by 172-40, I wouldn’t be here to explain to Boris Johnson just how much I cherish the UK’s Parliamentary constitution and conventions.
     
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  3. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Brexit Party pact with Tories takes over Hartlepool Council
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    Image caption The "defectors" met Brexit Party chairman Richard Tice on Friday
    The Brexit Party has taken over the running of its first council in north-east England.
    Ten independent councillors joined the party on Thursday night, Hartlepool Borough Council said.
    The Brexit Party said it had "put country before party", also forming a coalition with three local Conservatives.
    The council said the new group had replaced the Independent Union and Conservative Group.
    Previously, the only council in England to have the Brexit Party as part of a governing coalition was Burnley.
    Seven out of 10 people in Hartlepool voted Leave in the EU referendum.
    'Westminster shenanigans'
    In a statement, the Brexit Party said the "defectors" had attended a party conference in Sedgefield on Thursday and met party chairman Richard Tice.
    It said the alliance was a blow to the Labour Party, which lost control of all five Tees Valley councils and dozens of seats in May.
    Mr Tice said: "Regardless of the shenanigans in Westminster, Brexiteers in the North East are pushing to take back control so they can respect the Brexit vote."
    Analysis
    David Rhodes, BBC political correspondent for the North East and Cumbria
    Hartlepool has long been a target for UKIP and now the Brexit Party in Westminster elections.
    With 13 councillors the Brexit Party and Conservative coalition would be the biggest group in the 33 seat Hartlepool council.
    Whilst the Brexit Party/Conservative alliance doesn't have an overall majority on the council, and will require the support of other parties to pass decisions, the fact it is now the lead group on a local authority is a milestone for a political party that has only existed since the beginning of 2019.
    Council leader Shane Moore told the Local Democracy Reporting Service he had left the independent group and joined the coalition.
    "In a town like Hartlepool that overwhelming voted to leave the EU, people will be sat watching the events unfolding in Westminster in disbelief," he said.
    "We want to send a very clear message to the Labour Party and other politicians, that we won't sit idly by and allow them to block Brexit."
    He said on a local level nothing would change and councillors will "give their all" for residents in Hartlepool.
     
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  4. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    we would need to see some clearance first
     
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  5. Bwood_Ranger

    Bwood_Ranger 2023 Funniest Poster

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    They’re very welcome to it.
     
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    Police Conclude Leave.EU Campaign Did Not Break Law During the 2016 Referendum
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    The Metropolitan Police have today announced there will be no further action against the Leave.EU campaign. The police said that there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation. Campaign founder Arron Banks has demanded a public inquiry into Remainer MPs’ abuse of public office in response…
    Read Banks’ statement in full here…
    “We have been informed by the Metropolitan Police that they will be taking no action as a result of the investigation referred by the Electoral commission into the Leave.eu campaign and Ms Liz Bilney.
    The have concluded that the leave.eu campaign did not break the law during the 2016 referendum.
    The disgraceful political collusion between the Electoral Commission & the Damian Collins “Remain biased” DCMS committee and a number of leading Remain MPs, demonstrate a serious abuse of public office and we will be demanding a full public inquiry investigation into their actions.
    We will be writing to the Prime Minster today demanding a public enquiry into the actions of the Electoral commission.
    I am today calling for the resignation of Damian Collins and the CEO of Electoral commission as a result of today’s news.
    The Electoral Commission have serious questions to answer about political bias and whether it is fit for purpose as a regulator.
    The management board is overseen by third-rate politicos and people who have shown clear political bias. The Chairman himself described Brexit as a “ collection of Eurosceptic nonsense” and one of the EC board called for a second referendum!
    The investigation has taken a huge personal toll on Liz Bilney, her family and the harassment and lies perpetrated by anti-Brexit MPs is disgraceful. MP’s like Stephen Kinnock & Ian Lavery should apologise to Liz and the 1.5 million supporters of Leave.EU they tried to smear.
    During the last 2 years, the Metropolitan Police have been professional and thorough. They spent many hours investigating our case and they should be commended for doing a difficult job in a difficult political climate. They remained impartial and operated with complete integrity.
    We would like to thank the Metropolitan Police Commissioner for giving her officers her full support at all times.
    Arron Banks”

    Met Police Statement:
    On 5 August 2019 the MPS submitted a file to the CPS for Early Investigative Advice in relation to the Leave.EU investigation and this advice has now been received.
    It is clear that whilst some technical breaches of electoral law were committed by Leave.EU in respect of the spending return submitted for their campaign, there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation.
    Commander Alex Murray, of Central Specialist Crime, said: “It was right to investigate the allegation, however following detailed enquiries it became apparent that the nature of potential breaches of the regulations, the criminal standard of proof required in court and the actions taken by Leave.EU to adhere to the regulations, mean that it is now appropriate to take no further action.”
    Leave.EU’s responsible person has been has been told that they will face no further police action.
    The full details of the technical breaches are fully detailed in the Electoral Commission report into the spending return dated 28 May 2018. This should be read in conjunction with the County Court Judgment between Leave.EU Group Ltd and the Electoral Commission of 21 March 2019.
    The investigation into the spending returns of Vote Leave and BeLeave remains ongoing.
     
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    Yeah we definately dont need to know anything more. That will do
     
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    Hmmm, I seem to detect a theme here...:grin:
     
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    Well done Glasgow City Council.....<applause>

    Five Glasgow marches banned over sectarian disorder fears

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    A march in Govan two weeks ago led to violent disorder

    Five marches planned for this weekend have been banned by Glasgow City Council after an emergency meeting.

    It follows violent sectarian disturbances at similar events over the past two weekends.

    Four Loyalist parades and an Irish Republican march planned for Saturday and Sunday will not be allowed to go ahead due to the threat of trouble.

    The decision was taken by an urgently arranged meeting of Glasgow City Council's Public Processions Committee.

    In what has been described as an unprecedented move, council officials recommended that all five processions this weekend be prohibited.

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    Not a popular move with some....

    Loyalist protest over Glasgow marches ban - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49690444

    Personally, I hope they ban them permanently, although it looks unlikely

    Can Glasgow ban all marches over sectarian fears? - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49651136

    There are over 300 parades a year in Glasgow alone, and although most pass off without incident, there seems to be a rise in tensions this year, I wonder what could be fueling that......? These people really need to move into the 21st Century, both Loyalist and Republican, there's no need to be dragging up tensions that are over 300 years old.
     
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    Agreed. But to be fair it's difficult for those of us who live in a pretty tolerant multicultural society to understand the levels of hatred which have been passed down from generation to generation in historically closer-knit family communities. It's not that long ago that in Scotland, clan meant more than nationality. Give it another 50 years and it will be less prominent as the march to globalism continues. When people are well off enough to worry about getting the latest cool Nike sportswear and wear logos all over the malign influence of the more malign parental traditional values will disappear for good.
     
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  12. Bwood_Ranger

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    True.

    Anyway... FTP.
     
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    Yes on their web page and Facebook page, but NOT on News on the telly box.
     
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    Bwood_Ranger 2023 Funniest Poster

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    If it’s the sixth biggest story of the day I wouldn’t expect it to be.
     
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    I expect they'd run that story on otters instead.
     
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    That’s irrelevant that it’s the 6th biggest story on the list, the REAL NEWS is that IT IS ONLY sixth most important item on their list, again proving the mainstream media BRUSSELS BULLSHIT CORPORATION and others refuse to show anything derogatory about Europe and the EU, yet the protests in Hong Kong have been top story for weeks, not once have the biased BBC reported the Gilet Jaune protests and they have been going for months, when are you sheeple going to understand that you are being manipulated by the EU propoganda dept (BBC )who will do anything to keep getting paid (illegally by the way, it’s against their royal charter to receive outside influence or payment) when are you going to realise you never see the loony left shown in a bad light, but the right are continually shown as far right Nazi thugs etc, wake up son, wake up, before it’s too late.
     
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    The Beeb doesn’t dictate what articles we read. People chose to read about five other topics more. Please calm down we are playing very well.
     
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    Phew that’s a weight off my tiny mind
     
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    Yet another boost to the SNP.....Boris' hardline with the EU is giving the IndyRef2 campaigners additional fuel, and now members of the EU are saying there may be an easier route for Scotland to rejoin the EU.....

    Herman Van Rompuy says Brexit 'has changed EU view of Scotland'

    By Glenn Campbell Chief political correspondent, BBC Scotland

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    Van Rompuy: Europe 'looking at what Scotland is in favour of'
    A former president of the European Council has said he believes Brexit has changed EU attitudes to Scottish independence.

    In a BBC interview, Herman Van Rompuy said there was now "much more sympathy" for European regions seeking EU membership.

    Mr Van Rompuy said the process of joining the EU was "complicated".

    But he said an application from Scotland would have to be "very seriously" considered.

    The UK government does not support Scottish government calls for another independence referendum.

    On 18 September, it will be five years since Scotland voted 55% to 45% against becoming an independent country.

    At that time, SNP leaders said it was a "once in a generation" referendum but they have since argued that Brexit fundamentally changes the circumstances.

    This is because the 2016 EU referendum saw the UK as a whole vote to leave, while Scottish voters backed remain by 62% to 38%.

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    Scotland voted 55% to 45% against becoming an independent country in September 2014

    Mr Van Rompuy said that the UK's decision to leave the EU had certainly altered European attitudes to Scottish independence.

    He said: "I think there is a change, yes, because for a lot of people they are looking at what Scottish people are in favour of.

    "They want to stay in the European Union and at the same time they are prevented to stay in the European Union."

    The Scottish government's Brexit Secretary, Mike Russell, said the comments were "welcome" and that an independent Scotland had a "strong contribution" to make to the EU.

    However, The Scottish Secretary in the UK government, Alister Jack, said Scotland was "better served" in the UK, rather than joining the EU and "giving away" democratic and fishing rights.

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    Mr Van Rompuy said there was more sympathy for regions of a country that wanted to join the EU

    Mr Van Rompuy said there was not much sympathy for Brexit in the EU among political leaders or the man or woman in the street.

    He added: "There is much more sympathy for regions - parts of a country - that want to join the European Union."

    Political dimension

    Mr Van Rompuy - who chaired EU summits between 2009 and 2014 before handing over to Donald Tusk - said any indyref2 must be agreed with the UK.

    If there was a Yes vote in a referendum that was "constitutional" he said Scotland would have a "legal case".

    "Then, of course the outcome has to be considered by the European Union very seriously," he said.

    But Mr Van Rompuy pointed out there was also a political dimension - and that all 27 EU countries would have to consent.

    He said: "There is no automaticity, there are rules to be respected and we have all to agree on a new candidate."

    Mr Van Rompuy said there were still "hesitations" about Scottish independence in Spain, which is concerned about Catalonia breaking away.

    He added: "It is a complicated process. Even leaving the UK is a complicated process - as complicated as Britain leaving the European Union."

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    Mr Van Rompuy said the situation in Scotland was very different to the one in Catalonia

    As a former prime minister of Belgium, which has a Flemish nationalist movement, he is not personally enthusiastic about the UK breaking up.

    "I fought all my life against separatism in my own country, so don't ask me to applaud when this would happen," he said.

    Mr Van Rompuy has previously warned that leaving the EU without a deal would pose an "existential threat" to the UK.

    In his BBC Scotland interview, he said UK politicians "take risks not only for the prosperity of the British people but also for the unity of the United Kingdom".

    Special treatment

    Alister Jack, the Scottish Secretary, said: "I would say Scotland's place is better served staying in the United Kingdom rather than leaving the UK, joining the EU and giving away both democratic rights and also our coastal fisheries which will be of great value to us".

    However, the Scottish government's Brexit Secretary Mike Russell said: "There is clearly real sympathy and understanding for Scotland's position in Europe, particularly given the hard-line anti-EU position of the UK government."

    The European Policy Centre think-tank, of which Mr Van Rompuy is president, recently published an analysis on independent Scottish membership of the EU.

    It concluded that the EU should "engage positively" with Scotland in the event of independence, if there had been a properly constituted referendum.

    But it said Scotland could not expect "special treatment" and that the Scottish government would have to accept all the obligations of membership, including agreeing in principle to join the euro.

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    Has Brexit changed opinions on Scottish independence?

    The paper was produced by the centre's chief executive, Fabian Zuleeg, who also serves as an adviser to the Scottish government on Europe.

    He notes that the EU institutions were "rather negative" towards Scottish independence in 2014, partly due to concerns about encouraging secessionist movements in other EU countries.

    At that time, the president of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barosso, said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for Scotland to secure EU membership.

    'Third country'

    Mr Van Rompuy was also perceived to cast doubt on independent Scottish membership of the EU when he made comments about Catalonia.

    But the former EU Council chief is clear that there is a "big difference" between the cases of Catalonia and Scotland.

    In his view, it would be "unthinkable" for Catalonia to be considered for EU membership because its referendum is regarded as illegal by Spain.

    Scotland, he said, would be treated "otherwise" if it had a legally-agreed referendum.

    He also warned the UK that it would not enjoy the same solidarity the EU had afforded it in 2014 in the event of another Scottish referendum.

    "If the UK is not a member of the European Union anymore, what kind of solidarity are you speaking about?" Mr Van Rompuy said.

    Asked if solidarity with the UK would no longer exist, he said: "no, it's a third country".
     
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    They have to have someone to ponce off especially when the gas and oil run out... :grin:
     
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