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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
If the Irish exercised the backstop to keep us in the CU, there would be no incentive whatsoever to release the UK from it and no incentive to develop a technological solution.

A finite backstop encourages all to focus on a technical solution.

Yes, I do think we need to hear from Boris on his proposed solution. He has said he will not put in a hard border - if there is one, it will come from the EU or Ireland. But I haven't heard him work that argument through, which he needs to do.
It's not about the Irish keeping you in the Customs Union. It is about peace on our island North & South and the continuation of the Good Friday Agreement.
 
It's not about the Irish keeping you in the Customs Union. It is about peace on our island North & South and the continuation of the Good Friday Agreement.

But every time the UK say they will not put a hard border in, the Irish and the EU say, not that's not good enough, we need the backstop. Why's that?
 
But every time the UK say they will not put a hard border in, the Irish and the EU say, not that's not good enough, we need the backstop. Why's that?
It's a guarantee that economics in terms of trade both ways will not be disrupted as neither part of the island voted in favour of Brexit. It is also a guarantee that at no stage in the future will terrorists (of both persuasions) be tempted to attack a dividing line between the two jurisdictions which is what happened in the past. Some of the worst atrocities in the troubles happened at or close to the border.
 
I agree, but it’s always been like this and it’s only now when we are allegedly leaving that we get upset about it. Odd.

And it’s very similar to the way U.K. ministers are appointed - grace and favour, no competition, no transparency, sometimes not even MPs. At least in the US the person dishing out the patronage is directly (nearly, with the ridiculous electoral college system) elected, not picked to head a party by a tiny percentage of the population and becoming PM by default with all this largesse and taxpayer funded jobs to hand out.

Western democracy, what a stitch up.

Come off it. This country has been sceptical about the EU for as long as I can remember and there have always been questions asked regarding corruption etc.
 
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What he does, looking at his time as Mayor of London, is rely on a strong team around him. How successful he is as PM will depend on that team - I imagine they'll be virtually exclusively Brexiteers.

Did that same team suggest to him that it was a good idea to purchase 3 water cannon for use in London that then had to be sold for scrap (losing £300k in the process) ?
 
Come off it. This country has been sceptical about the EU for as long as I can remember and there have always been questions asked regarding corruption etc.
Yeah, but we are leaving now. Time to sort out the **** in our own system, which is far from lily white. Or are we going to spend our new found freedom talking about how bad and corrupt the EU is, and blaming it for whatever problems we have in the future?

I notice that Canada has walked out of trade talks with Dr Fox, preferring to wait and see how all this turns out rather than just rolling over the existing Canada-EU treaty to the UK. Makes sense, they will have far more leverage with us as a stand alone country.
 
Did that same team suggest to him that it was a good idea to purchase 3 water cannon for use in London that then had to be sold for scrap (losing £300k in the process) ?

I suspect that was a Boris impetuous decision and May took great pleasure in overriding him. But he was reelected, so he did some stuff right and the Olympics were a triumph
 
Ann Widdecombe's EU slavery remarks branded as 'disgusting'
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Media captionAnn Widdecombe: "Oppressed people turning on the oppressors – slaves against their owners"
Brexit Party MEP Ann Widdecombe has been criticised for comparing the UK leaving the EU to "slaves" rising up "against their owners".

She made the remarks during her maiden speech in the European Parliament on Thursday, which critics branded "disgusting" and "offensive".

Labour MP David Lammy described her words as "ahistorical".

But Ms Widdecombe said it was "entirely appropriate to liken [Brexit] to slavery and servitude".

The former Conservative MP and shadow home secretary was one of 29 Brexit Party candidates who won European Parliament seats in May.

She began her first speech to fellow MEPs by attacking the EU for the way it appoints its leaders. This followed heads of member states nominating five candidates for the top jobs in Brussels - including the presidents of the European Council and the European Commission - earlier this week.

German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen was nominated to replace the current European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker - becoming the first woman to take the role - and Belgian liberal Prime Minister Charles Michel was nominated to replace European Council President Donald Tusk.

Critics of the selection process say the European Parliament's own contest for the main job - the "Spitzenkandidaten" (lead candidate) process - was ignored, and that four of the main jobs went to western Europeans, with no nominees from eastern Europe.

Most of the roles must now be ratified by the European Parliament.

'We're off'
Ms Widdecombe, one of six MEPs representing the South West of England, said the process of choosing the leadership of the EU had convinced her that "the best thing for Britain is to leave here as soon as possible",

She went on to say: "There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on the oppressors - slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies... against their empires, and that is why Britain is leaving.

"And it doesn't matter which language you use - we are going and we are glad to be going."

She added: "Nous allons. Wir gehen. We're off!"

In response, EU Brexit co-ordinator Guy Verhofstadt said Ms Widdecombe was giving her party leader, Nigel Farage, "stiff competition as chief clown".

Meanwhile, Labour MP Dr Rosena Allin-Khan tweeted: "It is disgusting that Ann Widdecombe would reference slavery and colonisation to describe our relationship with the EU.

"Her and Farage are bankrolled by elites - she's part of the establishment which has created such a divide in this country."

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It is impossible to explain how offensive and ahistorical it is for you to equate my ancestors tearing off their chains with your small-minded nationalist project. Shame on you. https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1146720833743872008 …

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Liberal Democrat MEP Martin Horwood called for Ms Widdecombe to withdraw her comments and apologise.

"Ann Widdecombe has not only embarrassed herself, but she has embarrassed the nation she represents," he said.

But Ms Widdecombe defended her speech.

"We are currently part of a political union which makes us subservient to laws made by others in Brussels," she said. "It is entirely appropriate to liken this to slavery and servitude.

"Of course we don't bear shackle marks, but just ask the good people of Greece how EU-induced poverty and unemployment feels, and you'll quickly find out how their democratic votes were ignored by their real masters in Brussels."

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A Brexit Party spokesman added: "Those who have raised this hue and cry seem to desire nothing more than a cleansing of our language of historical perspective and even metaphor.

"Ms Widdecombe was right to talk about the great sweep of history, and the simple fact that those who are oppressed will always strive for freedom."

Her critics "desire nothing more than a cleansing of our language of historical perspective and even metaphor", he said, adding: "Would they also ban Rule Britannia? The Last night of the Proms?"
 
Ann Widdecombe's EU slavery remarks branded as 'disgusting'
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Media captionAnn Widdecombe: "Oppressed people turning on the oppressors – slaves against their owners"
Brexit Party MEP Ann Widdecombe has been criticised for comparing the UK leaving the EU to "slaves" rising up "against their owners".

She made the remarks during her maiden speech in the European Parliament on Thursday, which critics branded "disgusting" and "offensive".

Labour MP David Lammy described her words as "ahistorical".

But Ms Widdecombe said it was "entirely appropriate to liken [Brexit] to slavery and servitude".

The former Conservative MP and shadow home secretary was one of 29 Brexit Party candidates who won European Parliament seats in May.

She began her first speech to fellow MEPs by attacking the EU for the way it appoints its leaders. This followed heads of member states nominating five candidates for the top jobs in Brussels - including the presidents of the European Council and the European Commission - earlier this week.

German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen was nominated to replace the current European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker - becoming the first woman to take the role - and Belgian liberal Prime Minister Charles Michel was nominated to replace European Council President Donald Tusk.

Critics of the selection process say the European Parliament's own contest for the main job - the "Spitzenkandidaten" (lead candidate) process - was ignored, and that four of the main jobs went to western Europeans, with no nominees from eastern Europe.

Most of the roles must now be ratified by the European Parliament.

'We're off'
Ms Widdecombe, one of six MEPs representing the South West of England, said the process of choosing the leadership of the EU had convinced her that "the best thing for Britain is to leave here as soon as possible",

She went on to say: "There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on the oppressors - slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies... against their empires, and that is why Britain is leaving.

"And it doesn't matter which language you use - we are going and we are glad to be going."

She added: "Nous allons. Wir gehen. We're off!"

In response, EU Brexit co-ordinator Guy Verhofstadt said Ms Widdecombe was giving her party leader, Nigel Farage, "stiff competition as chief clown".

Meanwhile, Labour MP Dr Rosena Allin-Khan tweeted: "It is disgusting that Ann Widdecombe would reference slavery and colonisation to describe our relationship with the EU.

"Her and Farage are bankrolled by elites - she's part of the establishment which has created such a divide in this country."

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Liberal Democrat MEP Martin Horwood called for Ms Widdecombe to withdraw her comments and apologise.

"Ann Widdecombe has not only embarrassed herself, but she has embarrassed the nation she represents," he said.

But Ms Widdecombe defended her speech.

"We are currently part of a political union which makes us subservient to laws made by others in Brussels," she said. "It is entirely appropriate to liken this to slavery and servitude.

"Of course we don't bear shackle marks, but just ask the good people of Greece how EU-induced poverty and unemployment feels, and you'll quickly find out how their democratic votes were ignored by their real masters in Brussels."

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A Brexit Party spokesman added: "Those who have raised this hue and cry seem to desire nothing more than a cleansing of our language of historical perspective and even metaphor.

"Ms Widdecombe was right to talk about the great sweep of history, and the simple fact that those who are oppressed will always strive for freedom."

Her critics "desire nothing more than a cleansing of our language of historical perspective and even metaphor", he said, adding: "Would they also ban Rule Britannia? The Last night of the Proms?"

What a ****.

Widdicombe that is.
 
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Boris Johnson promises to boost police numbers by 20,000 in £1.1bn move if he becomes prime minister

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Boris Johnson has pledged to boost police officer numbers if he wins the Tory leadership contest and becomes prime minister ( AFP/Getty Images )

Boris Johnson has pledged to boost police numbers by as many as 20,000 within three years if he becomes prime minister.
The Tory leadership favourite said he would expand the service to more than 140,000 officers by mid-2022 if he wins the race for Number 10.
Former London mayor Mr Johnson said the £1.1 billion move would focus on rural areas that have seen the biggest funding reductions.
He said the funds would come from the £26 billion "headroom" reserves set aside by Chancellor Philip Hammond.
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It came as Mr Johnson faced another hustings appearance with rival Jeremy Hunt on Thursday.
Mr Johnson, who visited the Thames Valley Police training centre near Reading, Berkshire, on Wednesday, said: "What we are saying is that we are going to use some of the existing headroom, quite a small amount, about £1.1 billion, to put more police officers out on the street and I think that is what the public want."
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Pressed on whether he had already pledged the headroom funds for other initiatives, Mr Johnson said: "On the contrary, we have been positively frugal by comparison with a certain other campaign that I could mention.
"We are still well within the £26 billion that the Chancellor squirrelled away quite prudently, the money is going on education, a little bit on broadband - and that is already allocated - and on policing as well."
Mr Hammond has publicly warned Mr Johnson and his rival for Downing Street, Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, that a no-deal Brexit would mean the reserve funding would need to be used to deal with the aftermath of withdrawal, and would not be available for spending pledges.
Boris Johnson wins the backing of Tory police commissioners
Both Mr Johnson and Mr Hunt have said they would be prepared to exit the EU without a deal on October 31 if they could not get an improved agreement with Brussels.
Mr Johnson’s visit to Thames Valley Police Training Centre was made as a clear majority of Tory police and crime commissioners around the country backed him to become prime minister.
Eleven commissioners signed a letter hailing his “outstanding work” as mayor in tackling violence.
“We need a prime minister who has a proven record of reducing crime and who will back police with the power and resources they need,” said the group.
 
None of that matters anymore, because (apparently) most of the Brexiteers have snuffed it since 2016 thereby rendering the referendum obsolete. At least that’s what the Namby Pambies in the dirty yellow ‘Bollocks...’ t-shirts would have us believe.

Caroline Flint for PM.

Failing that...


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Yeah, but we are leaving now. Time to sort out the **** in our own system, which is far from lily white. Or are we going to spend our new found freedom talking about how bad and corrupt the EU is, and blaming it for whatever problems we have in the future?

I notice that Canada has walked out of trade talks with Dr Fox, preferring to wait and see how all this turns out rather than just rolling over the existing Canada-EU treaty to the UK. Makes sense, they will have far more leverage with us as a stand alone country.

Shouldn’t take long to sort out; just maple syrup and Nickleback long players, innit?
 
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