Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Steelmonkey]

Mate, it happens all the time. F*** me they can get well nasty

They're having a lot of problems with the NPS drugs that are going around at the moment, and as they have opiate base or fentanyl in them so they have to use Naloxone a lot - and the punters are not happy when it's adminstered!!!

 

[Staines R's]

They're having a lot of problems with the NPS drugs that are going around at the moment, and as they have opiate base or fentanyl in them so they have to use Naloxone a lot - and the punters are not happy when it's adminstered!!!

We are lucky we don’t seem to have a massive problem with the likes of ‘Spice’ and the other drugs like that.....just the usual crack/heroin stuff......

Had a NFO fella the other week who wanted to show me his pus filled groin where it had got infected by shooting up speed/heroin and liquid cocaine into the only vein he could find.

Safe to say I politely declined the offer.

 

[Stroller]

News coming in of a pregnant woman stabbed and killed in Croydon and the baby delivered on scene.......

But let’s all worry about Brexit, eh ?

Shocking.

Not related at all, but a woman in Alabama was charged last week with the manslaughter of her own unborn child after she was shot in a confrontation with another woman. That's seriously ****ed up.

 

[Staines R's]

Shocking.

Not related at all, but a woman in Alabama was charged last week with the manslaughter of her own unborn child after she was shot in a confrontation with another woman. That's seriously ****ed up.

It’s a ****ed up world mate, wherever you are

 

[kiwiqpr]

Always safer to ignore Kiwi's posts on this thread.

But it was a balanced post

 

[Stroller]

But it was a balanced post

Was it? I ignored it.

Less is more.

 

[Steelmonkey]

But it was a balanced post

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This is a balanced post!!

 

[kiwiqpr]

BREAKING: Sadiq Khan assures London citizens that stab jackets with Union Jacks on will be available in shops from Monday. The London Mayor said "Due to the brilliant genius of Stormzy we will be marketing the item immediately as a true symbol of life & diversity modern London"

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[kiwiqpr]

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[sb_73]

Just had a Labour canvasser knock on my door, poor bloke. Usually I’d just say ‘not today thanks’, but this man got both barrels, from the wife as well as me. Essentially the message was sort out a clear position on Brexit, anti semitism and get rid of Corbyn and you have a chance of getting a vote (I didn’t tell him that I’m probably never voting again, it just props the whole charade up), especially from two people who had voted Labour most opportunities they had, with one being an ex party member. He was a decent chap, but got defensive which is a fatal error when seeking feedback, tried to insinuate that the media was stitching Labour up. No come back to ‘when was this ever not the case, besides, you have the Guardian, the Mirror, Channel 4 and a chunk of the BBC on your side. Your problems are much deeper’. Ended up by saying he agreed with a lot of what we said.

Great, now do something about it.

Not that I care.

 

[kiwiqpr]

Ireland ‘cannot stop’ damaging EU beef deal
John Burns and Justine McCarthy
June 30 2019, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

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Irish farmers don’t want Mercosur beef importsALAMY
Ireland will be unable to veto a new EU trade deal with South America, which will lead to 99,000 tonnes of beef coming into the European market and which the Irish Farmers’ Association has described as “reckless and wrong”.
Facing demands yesterday to veto the deal with Mercosur, a South American trade bloc comprised of Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay, an Irish government official admitted that “in all likelihood” a veto will not be legally possible. “We may not be in a position to play that card,” he said. “The EU does have the power to do these deals unilaterally.”
The deal next goes before the EU trade council, where there is qualified majority voting and Ireland has only a 1-2% say.

 

[DT’s Socks]

That Hunt bloke does look like Norman Bates

Mother

 

[rangercol]

Ireland ‘cannot stop’ damaging EU beef deal
John Burns and Justine McCarthy
June 30 2019, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

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Irish farmers don’t want Mercosur beef importsALAMY
Ireland will be unable to veto a new EU trade deal with South America, which will lead to 99,000 tonnes of beef coming into the European market and which the Irish Farmers’ Association has described as “reckless and wrong”.
Facing demands yesterday to veto the deal with Mercosur, a South American trade bloc comprised of Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay, an Irish government official admitted that “in all likelihood” a veto will not be legally possible. “We may not be in a position to play that card,” he said. “The EU does have the power to do these deals unilaterally.”
The deal next goes before the EU trade council, where there is qualified majority voting and Ireland has only a 1-2% say.

But the EU is wonderful

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

But the EU is wonderful

While EU countries are gorging themselves on cheap Argentinian beef (which I understand is pretty good), Ireland will need a good customer for its own produce. Possibly post-Brexit UK. Hope Boris reminds the Irish PM of this in the first round of talks next month...

 

[sb_73]

Dangerous times in Hong Kong. While I wholeheartedly support the pro democracy protestors, the actions they have undertaken today by occupying the legislature could well trigger an extremely repressive response from China, which might figure that their local puppets have lost control and its time to crack down, they have a lot of form in this respect.

I hope the other G20 leaders made their views known in Japan, though at least Putin and Trump would not have a problem with a mainland takeover. Britain has a special responsibility to the people of Hong Kong (some of the protesters replaced the HK insignia with an old colonial flag) but we have nearly zero influence, leverage and power beyond words, which Hunt is supplying, via tweet.

One country two systems is meant to last for another thirty years, and is enshrined by treaty and law. Let’s see how it holds up.

 

[finglasqpr]

While EU countries are gorging themselves on cheap Argentinian beef (which I understand is pretty good), Ireland will need a good customer for its own produce. Possibly post-Brexit UK. Hope Boris reminds the Irish PM of this in the first round of talks next month...

Will Boris be attending those talks? I didn't think he had been elected yet.

Trade between the UK and Ireland is a two way street Goldy. In fact, Ireland imports more goods from the UK (22.8 Billion US Dollars) than we export to the UK (18.5 billion US Dollars). I am sure our Taoiseach will remind Boris of that when he sees him (if he gets elected) next month. You are our second most important export market while Ireland is about your 5th or 6th biggest export market.

 

[bobmid]

Cant beat Irish and Scottish beef.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Will Boris be attending those talks? I didn't think he had been elected yet.

Trade between the UK and Ireland is a two way street Goldy. In fact, Ireland imports more goods from the UK (22.8 Billion US Dollars) than we export to the UK (18.5 billion US Dollars). I am sure our Taoiseach will remind Boris of that when he sees him (if he gets elected) next month. You are our second most important export market while Ireland is about your 5th or 6th biggest export market.

It looks like Boris is a shoe-in, Fing. As his brother, Jo, said the other day "unless they discover he's murdered someone before he's in place."

We may well become Ireland's first most important export market when the EU countries start feasting on cheap South American beef! I'm sure Boris and Leo are going to get along like a house on fire.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Dangerous times in Hong Kong. While I wholeheartedly support the pro democracy protestors, the actions they have undertaken today by occupying the legislature could well trigger an extremely repressive response from China, which might figure that their local puppets have lost control and its time to crack down, they have a lot of form in this respect.

I hope the other G20 leaders made their views known in Japan, though at least Putin and Trump would not have a problem with a mainland takeover. Britain has a special responsibility to the people of Hong Kong (some of the protesters replaced the HK insignia with an old colonial flag) but we have nearly zero influence, leverage and power beyond words, which Hunt is supplying, via tweet.

One country two systems is meant to last for another thirty years, and is enshrined by treaty and law. Let’s see how it holds up.

Agree, I think the protestors need to be careful. However, China has a lot to lose commercially by coming down heavily on them. Huawei deals would be sunk for a start. Softly, softly must be the prudent approach of the Chinese government. Reasonable at all times. Iron fist in a velvet glove.

 

[sb_73]

Agree, I think the protestors need to be careful. However, China has a lot to lose commercially by coming down heavily on them. Huawei deals would be sunk for a start. Softly, softly must be the prudent approach of the Chinese government. Reasonable at all times. Iron fist in a velvet glove.

I think you misjudge the Chinese Communist Party. This isn’t anyone else’s business in their eyes, just like their building military bases all over the South China Sea isn’t anyone else’s business. It’s an internal affair, and HK is officially a part of China. China is the engine of world trade, they know any reaction will be temporary. Trump has already started rolling back on Huwai embargoes.

‘Law and order has broken down in HK, our territory. The People’s Liberation Army will intervene temporarily to restore order. Financial and goods trading will continue as normal”. End of one country two systems, the PLA will never leave, Direct rule from Beijing, international protests, no action. Important to remember that almost everybody who lives in HK is the descendant (only one or two generations) of someone who took the decision to get out of Communist China. They are all ideologically suspect to the CCP.

The protesters are running a big personal risk, but the endgame has been obvious since the treaty ceding sovereignty back to China was signed, it’s just a matter of when. I’m willing to bet thatThatcher and her diplomats thought that the Chinese Communist Party would be long gone before the 50 years are up, and that they’d struck a good deal. To be fair, if China wanted HK it could have just walked in and taken it, so any deal was better than a forcible annexation.

And having said all this the HK Chinese showed almost no interest in having more democratic institutions when the British colonial government tried to get it going (decades too late) in the mid 80s. At district elections where I managed a polling station turnout was less than 30%.