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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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You're right Col.....

Final call to save the world from 'climate catastrophe'
By Matt McGrathEnvironment correspondent, Incheon, South Korea
  • 8 October 2018
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Media captionClimate change: How 1.5 degrees could change the world

It's the final call, say scientists, the most extensive warning yet on the risks of rising global temperatures.

Their dramatic report on keeping that rise under 1.5 degrees C says the world is now completely off track, heading instead towards 3C.

Keeping to the preferred target of 1.5C above pre-industrial levels will mean "rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society".

It will be hugely expensive - but the window of opportunity remains open.

After three years of research and a week of haggling between scientists and government officials at a meeting in South Korea, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued a special report on the impact of global warming of 1.5C.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45775309

not sure how much i believe in global warming (yes the general consensus from the scientific community is that it exists). What i do know is that the community is advocating using green this, change infrastructure of that etc etc.

Of course technology will help but as long as there are people wanting to make money and there are developing nations, then the cheapest/most profitable way regardless of how polluting it is will be what will happen.

Controversially, the biggest polluters really is by having more humans as we are the people who generate all this pollution. Would anyone be in favour of population control if it meant saving the planet?
 
not sure how much i believe in global warming (yes the general consensus from the scientific community is that it exists). What i do know is that the community is advocating using green this, change infrastructure of that etc etc.

Of course technology will help but as long as there are people wanting to make money and there are developing nations, then the cheapest/most profitable way regardless of how polluting it is will be what will happen.

Controversially, the biggest polluters really is by having more humans as we are the people who generate all this pollution. Would anyone be in favour of population control if it meant saving the planet?
Spot on :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
not sure how much i believe in global warming (yes the general consensus from the scientific community is that it exists). What i do know is that the community is advocating using green this, change infrastructure of that etc etc.

Of course technology will help but as long as there are people wanting to make money and there are developing nations, then the cheapest/most profitable way regardless of how polluting it is will be what will happen.

Controversially, the biggest polluters really is by having more humans as we are the people who generate all this pollution. Would anyone be in favour of population control if it meant saving the planet?

That's a rather half-hearted acceptance that there is a problem with global warming at all. I find it very odd that there are people out there who would deny climate change in the face of almost unanimous scientific consensus. I would put them on a par with flat-earthers.

To answer your question, though, I would favour population control as part of a package of measures to address the problem. Unfortunately, religion gets in the way of that somewhat.
 
That's a rather half-hearted acceptance that there is a problem with global warming at all. I find it very odd that there are people out there who would deny climate change in the face of almost unanimous scientific consensus. I would put them on a par with flat-earthers.

To answer your question, though, I would favour population control as part of a package of measures to address the problem. Unfortunately, religion gets in the way of that somewhat.

Hurricanes, the earth warming, ice age these were all things that happened before and have happened in the past. The earth is just naturally warming up irrespective of what humans do. You could argue that we are speeding this process up but you cannot deny that the earth goes through these cycles.

How much we contribute is what is up for debate and it wouldn't be the first time man gets it wrong. Where I hope my scepticism is that these people who research this stuff have a vested interest (like most things) to validate this stuff.

I will do my bit (recycling, not wasting materials etc) but I obviously do not feel strongly enough about climate change to make wholesale life changes
 
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This is just ill-informed rubbish. I wonder why you post it?
For your blinded information:
The UK is the first and the fastest of the G20 to make the target. Although they still need to do more to reach the next one. Many businesses still need to work harder. We have actually been doing more for this than most.

For example BBC News said German car manufacturers have put pressure on its government to keep using coal.
China has reopened mines as have US. Trump has kept his promise to create more jobs in that industry and basically tore up the climate agreement. There is also another country who wants out of the agreement and guess what....It's not the good old-fashioned British.

It's sad how posters have to use Brexit to fuel ill-informed rubbish.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...is-agreement-commonwealth-chogm-a8308616.html

https://www.theccc.org.uk/tackling-...g-carbon-emissions/how-the-uk-is-progressing/
Blimey someone got up on the wrong side of their union Jack bedspread this morning. I worry that you interpreted my post as a serious comment when it was clearly anything of the sort. Unless you replied to the wrong comment that is.
 
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Hurricanes, the earth warming, ice age these were all things that happened before and have happened in the past. The earth is just naturally warming up irrespective of what humans do. You could argue that we are speeding this process up but you cannot deny that the earth goes through these cycles.

How much we contribute is what is up for debate and it wouldn't be the first time man gets it wrong. Where I hope my scepticism is that these people who research this stuff have a vested interest (like most things) to validate this stuff.

I will do my bit (recycling, not wasting materials etc) but I obviously do not feel strongly enough about climate change to make wholesale life changes

Yes, that's the standard excuse for doing nothing - climate change has happened in the past. The thing is, the scientific concensus is that the current problems are very largely man-made and that we can prevent the worst of the effects by changing our ways. I don't understand why anyone would want to argue against global action being taken..
 
Blimey someone got up on the wrong side of their union Jack bedspread this morning. I worry that you interpreted my post as a serious comment when it was clearly anything of the sort. Unless you replied to the wrong comment that is.
My apologies Frome I thought you were being serious and just blaming Brexit. :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
Yes, that's the standard excuse for doing nothing - climate change has happened in the past. The thing is, the scientific concensus is that the current problems are very largely man-made and that we can prevent the worst of the effects by changing our ways. I don't understand why anyone would want to argue against global action being taken..

I haven't said we should do nothing just that i'm sceptical of climate change. As for global action being taken, i've already suggested a controversial but highly effective action which is population control because ultimately, this is the biggest cause of man made pollution in the current climate change models.
 
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I haven't said we should do nothing just that i'm sceptical of climate change. As for global action being taken, i've already suggested a controversial but highly effective action which is population control because ultimately, this is the biggest cause of man made pollution in the current climate change models.

Yes, I wasn't directing that at you specifically, Bobby.
 
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I haven't said we should do nothing just that i'm sceptical of climate change. As for global action being taken, i've already suggested a controversial but highly effective action which is population control because ultimately, this is the biggest cause of man made pollution in the current climate change models.

Yes, 100% agree population control is a major tool against global warming
 
Skripal attack: Second Salisbury suspect a 'decorated' officer
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The second suspect in the Salisbury poisoning case was a doctor and highly decorated Russian military intelligence officer, an investigative website says.
Bellingcat said it used a combination of online material and leaked documents to identify Alexander Mishkin, 39, as someone linked to the attack in March.
It said President Vladimir Putin had presented him with the Hero of the Russian Federation award in 2014.
When asked about the naming of Mr Mishkin, the Kremlin would not comment.
Last month, Bellingcat named the first suspect as Anatoliy Chepiga, a claim also rejected by Russia.
At a news conference in the Houses of Parliament on Tuesday, Bellingcat investigator Cristo Grozev said Mr Mishkin - like Mr Chepiga - was a member of the GRU and given the celebrated award for "actions in Ukraine".
He said Mr Mishkin's grandmother has a photograph, that has "been seen by everybody in the village" of President Putin shaking his hand and giving him the award.
The BBC has contacted two people who knew Mr Mishkin as a child in Loyga in the north of Russia, and they confirmed from photographs that he was the man seen in images released by police after the Salisbury attack in March.
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Image caption Bellingcat has issued three photos of the man identified as Alexander Mishkin, including his passport image
Bellingcat, a UK-based website, said both Mr Mishkin's real passport and the false passport he travelled to the UK on in the name of Alexander Petrov carried the same date of birth.
Outlining in detail how it identified the Salisbury suspect as Mr Mishkin, Bellingcat says he was recruited by Russian intelligence while completing his medical studies, and made several trips to Ukraine, including during the 2013 unrest.
What has been happening in Ukraine?
In spring 2014 mass demonstrations in central Kiev over the government's decision to suspend the signing of an association agreement with the EU ended in bloodshed and the ousting of pro-Moscow President Viktor Yanukovych.
Soon afterwards Russian troops annexed the Ukrainian territory of Crimea, and unrest broke out in mainly Russian-speaking eastern areas of the country.
The unrest became a full-scale insurgency, and rebels seized large swathes of territory. Since then, thousands of people have died in fighting between the rebels and Ukrainian government forces.
Moscow denies sending regular troops and heavy weapons to the separatists, but admits that Russian "volunteers" are helping the rebels.
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On the trail of Alexander Mishkin
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Image caption Mr Mishkin is believed to have lived in this St Petersburg building about a decade ago
The tiny village of Loyga in the Russian far north is not the kind of place you would expect to be at the centre of an international spy scandal.
With fewer than 1,000 inhabitants, it has rail access but no paved roads. It's too small even to show up on Google Maps.
But Loyga has proved crucial to piecing together the story of the real "Alexander Petrov" - the second man the UK authorities suspect over the Skripal poisoning case in Salisbury.
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How are the suspects linked to the Salisbury poisoning?
Former GRU officer Sergei Skripal - who sold secrets to MI6 - and his daughter Yulia survived being poisoned with Novichok on 4 March.
The attack left Mr Skripal and Yulia critically ill, but Dawn Sturgess, 44, was later exposed to the same nerve agent and died in hospital.
London's Metropolitan Police and the Crown Prosecution Service said last month that there was enough evidence to charge Mr Mishkin and Mr Chepiga with attempted murder over the Salisbury attack.
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Image caption Police issued CCTV of the two suspects in Salisbury on the day of the attack on Sergei Skripal
Detectives said the pair arrived in the UK using passports bearing the names Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov on 2 March, although they had said it was likely the men were travelling under aliases.
The movements of the suspects, who are alleged to have smeared Novichok on a door handle of Mr Skripal's home, were captured in a series of CCTV images that were released by police.
The event sparked a series of accusations and denials between the UK and Russian governments, culminating in diplomatic expulsions and international sanctions.
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By Gordon Corera, BBC security correspondent
It took longer for investigators at the Bellingcat website to identify Alexander Mishkin because he has an even sparser digital footprint than the first man to be named, Anatoly Chepiga.
But using databases and passport details they concluded that this was the real name of the man who came to Salisbury as Alexander Petrov.
Facial recognition experts were asked to examine two photos 15 years apart and use techniques of simulated age progression to establish the match.
Last Thursday, four GRU officers were exposed for trying to hack into communications of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in the Netherlands at the time it was investigating the Salisbury poisoning.
Mishkin's identification will raise more questions about how easy it has been to expose supposedly undercover intelligence officers and undermine Russia's official account that the two men who came to Salisbury were there to see the cathedral spire.
Recent reports in the Russian media suggest that Vladimir Putin - himself a former spy chief - is unhappy with the GRU's performance - and that a purge could be on the way.
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That's a rather half-hearted acceptance that there is a problem with global warming at all. I find it very odd that there are people out there who would deny climate change in the face of almost unanimous scientific consensus. I would put them on a par with flat-earthers.

To answer your question, though, I would favour population control as part of a package of measures to address the problem. Unfortunately, religion gets in the way of that somewhat.

Thing is, these scientists with a vested interest in furthering their funding have got it spectacularly wrong before.
I wouldn't be surprised if they change their findings in a year or so.
 
Thing is, these scientists with a vested interest in furthering their funding have got it spectacularly wrong before.
I wouldn't be surprised if they change their findings in a year or so.
It's a risky strategy to just ignore them and hope for the best though isn't it? We are literally talking the fate of the planet.
 
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