Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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You can drink what you want, it’s not banned, but they are saying if you do you pay more to offset the health costs. I think there’s logic in it. What we need alongside it is low cost healthy food not the wellness industry tax.
The logic is weak. It is an easy target. It should be targeted at kids, not adults. But then you are into the argument about responsible parenting, which is lessening by the year in this country. The state of education in the home is a disgrace in 2025.
 
Behind a paywall i refuse to pay. But I do not believe the headline for 1 minute. That is 10% of the overall HMRC take in year.

A new study this month from the highly respected US think tank, the National Bureau of Economic Research, found that the economic damage since the 2016 Leave vote had resulted in the UK’s GDP being between 6 per cent and 8 per cent smaller than it could have been.

New analysis by the House of Commons library estimates that Brexit is costing the Treasury up to £90bn a year in lost tax revenue, and the average Briton has seen a hit to GDP per head between £2,700 and £3,700.
 
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The logic is weak. It is an easy target. It should be targeted at kids, not adults. But then you are into the argument about responsible parenting, which is lessening by the year in this country. The state of education in the home is a disgrace in 2025.
The logic is absolute. Healthy things cheaper, expensive things dearer. It’s that simple. It doesn’t ban Irn Bru though I’d rather they banned that than ginger beer
 
What do you propose mate? Sounds like substantial cuts to the state and if so, where would you make them?

Start with honesty.

When the chancellor said "everyone must pay" or whatever bland phrase she used, she obviously did not mean it. She meant the private sector, the wealth creating sector must pay. A few months ago she was asserting quite forcibly, that the welfare bill must be cut. Now, she says untold billions must be blasted into it. This, even to a child learning basic arithmetic, cannot last.

Over £400bn every year is spent by QUANGOs, almost all of which is given out on the nod, with no financial oversight. There are hundreds of them, (nearly four hundred, though the figure is opaque) and many of their functions overlap and repeat. Many have staggering power, many seek extra money and are always given it. Many should not exist at all. But, governments like them, and all governments do the same. They make a grandstanding announcement about abolishing one or two, then create more. Starmer has created thirty in less than eighteen months. They will all be there, along with others at the next GE.

Bureaucracies always expand of their own volition. They grow and seek out areas of influence to justify their existences and to keep the cash coming in. I have had some dealings with these, and it is staggering to see the way they deliberately waste time, delay things, use up resources and choke up useful activity.

If we say that we cannot for instance, tell these organisations that they must do with say 3% to 5% less each year over a parliament, and genuinely take out those which should not now exist, then we are probably in for debt default, which has never happened in hundreds of years. All bets are off then. Either that or lending on very heavy conditions and that won't be pretty either.

Roughly one more million people have signed up to UC in not much over a year. Clearly this is not tenable in any sense, and must be stopped and reversed. But nothing at all is being done, aside from mouthing words.

A lot is said in many quarters about the forthcoming affect of AI. And it will have an effect, but unless the country learns again how to be nimble and proactive, it will be a very bad effect, instead of a positive one. The business of government should be the first to be slimmed down by this tech of course, but it will be the most resistant to change; a lot of nicely paid non jobs rest on things stumbling on just as they are.

So in brief that is where I think it should start. The UK has become slow, tangled up in webs of contradictory dictats and competing bureaucracies. If we don't turn, then the decline will continue and then accelerate.

This is not political really, the Tories were similarly useless after 2010 and 2015, though the problems have now been jet boosted. It is just numbers. Numbers which have been ignored for a long time, ( roughly since the turn of this century when Brown exploded public spending) but numbers which are now looking to be counted.
 
Start with honesty.

When the chancellor said "everyone must pay" or whatever bland phrase she used, she obviously did not mean it. She meant the private sector, the wealth creating sector must pay. A few months ago she was asserting quite forcibly, that the welfare bill must be cut. Now, she says untold billions must be blasted into it. This, even to a child learning basic arithmetic, cannot last.

Over £400bn every year is spent by QUANGOs, almost all of which is given out on the nod, with no financial oversight. There are hundreds of them, (nearly four hundred, though the figure is opaque) and many of their functions overlap and repeat. Many have staggering power, many seek extra money and are always given it. Many should not exist at all. But, governments like them, and all governments do the same. They make a grandstanding announcement about abolishing one or two, then create more. Starmer has created thirty in less than eighteen months. They will all be there, along with others at the next GE.

Bureaucracies always expand of their own volition. They grow and seek out areas of influence to justify their existences and to keep the cash coming in. I have had some dealings with these, and it is staggering to see the way they deliberately waste time, delay things, use up resources and choke up useful activity.

If we say that we cannot for instance, tell these organisations that they must do with say 3% to 5% less each year over a parliament, and genuinely take out those which should not now exist, then we are probably in for debt default, which has never happened in hundreds of years. All bets are off then. Either that or lending on very heavy conditions and that won't be pretty either.

Roughly one more million people have signed up to UC in not much over a year. Clearly this is not tenable in any sense, and must be stopped and reversed. But nothing at all is being done, aside from mouthing words.

A lot is said in many quarters about the forthcoming affect of AI. And it will have an effect, but unless the country learns again how to be nimble and proactive, it will be a very bad effect, instead of a positive one. The business of government should be the first to be slimmed down by this tech of course, but it will be the most resistant to change; a lot of nicely paid non jobs rest on things stumbling on just as they are.

So in brief that is where I think it should start. The UK has become slow, tangled up in webs of contradictory dictats and competing bureaucracies. If we don't turn, then the decline will continue and then accelerate.

This is not political really, the Tories were similarly useless after 2010 and 2015, though the problems have now been jet boosted. It is just numbers. Numbers which have been ignored for a long time, ( roughly since the turn of this century when Brown exploded public spending) but numbers which are now looking to be counted.
Name the Quangos you’d get rid of
 
What do you propose mate? Sounds like substantial cuts to the state and if so, where would you make them?
It's good to understand how the government spends tax payers money, this lad explains it in a scientific way
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Wealth taxes and windfall taxes would balance the books and therefore reassure lenders that we had enough money. We could then use government money to invest in things like owning our own energy and money going into the state like EDF.
 
Behind a paywall i refuse to pay. But I do not believe the headline for 1 minute. That is 10% of the overall HMRC take in year.
Yes. That figure is near enough. A slightly moveable number mind.

But the more pertinent one is this. Last year's borrowing was around £150bn. Of that, £100bn+ was to pay interest on previous debts, which mature and roll over all the time. This percentage will increase next year.

That is why gilt yeilds jumping is very bad news. It costs billions. The crazy back and forth of statements and leaks and U turns affects market sentiment and costs an absurd fortune.
 
It is, but a bit daft isnt it? Sugar tax in general. Nanny state and all the bollocks. I like the full turbo irn bru after a few bevvies. I am in my fifties and old enough to make my own sugary dri ornk choices.

Yes the argument in a nutshell, it should be our own personal choice to drink alcohol, smoke tobacco or anything else ( cannabis should be legslised and taxed IMHO). Shouldn't they be taxed to pay for instance the NHS and lung cancer treatment.

Is the argument different for kids particularly with.sugary drinks... obesity and bad teeth etc.I often pick my g'kids up from school... my unscientific observation is the number of obese kids is very different when I was at school (I am 73). In my class of 30 odd pupils, there was only fatty Craggs who was obese. Now in a class of 30 at least a dozen kids will be very overweight. Obviously parents have to share the blame for this 'epidemic ' as well as the companies who make profits out of selling ( often addictive) crap food and drinks.

Apologies rant over.
 
We could then use government money to invest in things like owning our own energy and money going into the state like EDF. You must be joking, Government money is THEIR money, nothing for us plebs to worry about, or even think about!
 
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No highlighting the hypocrisy of the Tory brigade who created the mess this government inherited. Pathetic.
They did inherit a mess absolutely but they aren't making a very good job of sorting it out. Own goals all over the place but let's forget about them. For info I voted Labour but we have the weakest prime minister and worst Labour Chancellor i can remember.
 
They did inherit a mess absolutely but they aren't making a very good job of sorting it out. Own goals all over the place but let's forget about them. For info I voted Labour but we have the weakest prime minister and worst Labour Chancellor i can remember.
You must have short memory then mate, given Johnson as PM and Sunak as chancellor being responsible for 10,000s deaths. Without highlighting the competence of Truss and May in fcking pensions and record immigration.

On a football level other posters are currently highlighting Johnson pushing through the mag takeover against advice. Certainly a lovely chap.