Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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Row 3 said:
The US has always been a flag flying nation. Nothing wrong with that, they are proud of their country and want to show it by flying, maintaining, and respecting the colours of the nation on their homes and businesses. In a lot of ways I respect and admire that.

Compare and contrast to the poundshop cretins who tied cheap and flimsy flags, at what appears to be half mast, to lamp posts over here and now just leave them to be ripped to pieces by the weather. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and disrespectful.
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Couldn’t agree more
 
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Ronsafc said:
Can never fault the front line NHS or all other services, it is the top heavy and middle layers that need culling, too many pen pushers getting involved in things that don't concern them to keep themselves in a job.
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You can say the same about the police as well. Without some ‘pen pushers’ you take frontline staff from the frontline to do tasks what others can do. It’s not as simplistic as some may think. Sadly some of the business practices the last government brought in created the bureaucracy in the nhs which wasn’t necessary but is now being addressed with investment. The common sense thing to do.
 
rowley said:
They are unpopular because they are attempting to govern by slogan, and completely fail to understand that if you throw billions of pounds worth of costs at employers, two things happen. And they always happen

One the costs get passed on, and two, employers start laying off and not hiring people. This is happening now, and it is the first time in a long time. Whatever else might be said about it, the UK economy has provided a lot of jobs. Now over half of employers are saying that they will reduce their workforce or stop hiring.

In the private sector world, where all the money is made, that is a very big deal. In the public sector, it doesn't register.

Even with the state obsessed and fairly useless Tories, with huge public spending and taxes too high, they had inflation at around 2% last July. The economy had grown for five months on the trot, and for ten of the previous twelve. It also grew after the election each month before Reeves budget. It won't be growing much for some time now, I can absolutely promise you that.

But the Treasury, who by the way are making the majority of the decisions here, are all anti-growth, and make no bones about it. They even have a name for it, given to them by the man who put most of them there. Gordon Brown and Ed Balls called it Post Endogenous Growth Theory. The basis of which is that, well you can't just keep on growing an economy, so lets all carve up what's there.

That is why the economy has been declining since the turn of the century.
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Build Back Better? That’s great slogan government
 
FellTop said:
They are unpopular because they are incompetent and have proven themselves untrustworthy.

More than a year in and the pair of them are yet to show an ounce of know how or a plan worthy of the name.

They walked into a huge majority in parliament, hailed as saviours. They were popular. It is their own stupidity that has made them unpopular. They are so far out of their depth. We need the Labour Party and its supporters to be much more demanding.
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Nobody hailed them as saviours but they have a big bloody mess to clear up and it will take more than a year to sort on the back of Brexit which fckd the economy and gave us record immigration
 
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Northumberland Rocks said:
Nobody hailed them as saviours but they have a big bloody mess to clear up and it will take more than a year to sort on the back of Brexit which fckd the economy and gave us record immigration
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Brexit did not fk the economy up. What made the biggest impact was the £500bn of spending on COVID and energy subsidies.

For the years 2016 to 2020 the UK outperformed the EU generally in every year, and every country other than Germany and for two of the years France , though the latter very marginally. This is a very low bar mind, and even lower now.

Post COVID it has done the same generally , but not outperformed Italy or France, although the latter mostly due to giant energy subsidies, now drawn back.

Some things have been worse of course, some better. In 2021 and 2022 exports to the EU broke records in successive years. Small businesses have suffered at the hands some of intransigent countries' deliberate efforts to obstruct trade, despite a free trade deal with the EU.

It could and should have been handled much better, but the BBC line of "catastrophe" does not bear scrutiny. It could have been made up by the same people who have been making Panorama recently.

Nor was immigration the fault of Brexit. It was the fault of a useless government who turned a blind eye to it, while saying they wanted it to stop. Nothing changing there.
 
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Blond Bombshell said:
Ha’way man marra, they've had 1 year 4 months man marra... Starmer oot
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It's not long.

But they had four years with Starmer as leader. Four years to work out some sort of plan. Two if those in the almost absolute certainty that they would be in power.

That IS a long time. And the first thing they could think of doing , after all that time, was to attack pensioners, and whack billions into public sector pay packets.

They will not recover from that.
 
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Blond Bombshell said:
Ha’way man marra, they've had 1 year 4 months man marra... Starmer oot
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In that short spell they have lurched from 1 mistake to another. To have such a majority, and so many tap ins to start in a positive way, yet they have made themselves seem unelectable again already. It has been an awful 20%+ of their term of office.
 
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rowley said:
Brexit did not fk the economy up. What made the biggest impact was the £500bn of spending on COVID and energy subsidies.

For the years 2016 to 2020 the UK outperformed the EU generally in every year, and every country other than Germany and for two of the years France , though the latter very marginally. This is a very low bar mind, and even lower now.

Post COVID it has done the same generally , but not outperformed Italy or France, although the latter mostly due to giant energy subsidies, now drawn back.

Some things have been worse of course, some better. In 2021 and 2022 exports to the EU broke records in successive years. Small businesses have suffered at the hands some of intransigent countries' deliberate efforts to obstruct trade, despite a free trade deal with the EU.

It could and should have been handled much better, but the BBC line of "catastrophe" does not bear scrutiny. It could have been made up by the same people who have been making Panorama recently.

Nor was immigration the fault of Brexit. It was the fault of a useless government who turned a blind eye to it, while saying they wanted it to stop. Nothing changing there.
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Do you support Reforms economic plans?
 
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Row 3 said:
The US has always been a flag flying nation. Nothing wrong with that, they are proud of their country and want to show it by flying, maintaining, and respecting the colours of the nation on their homes and businesses. In a lot of ways I respect and admire that.

Compare and contrast to the poundshop cretins who tied cheap and flimsy flags, at what appears to be half mast, to lamp posts over here and now just leave them to be ripped to pieces by the weather. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and disrespectful.
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Good post
 
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rowley said:
Brexit did not fk the economy up. What made the biggest impact was the £500bn of spending on COVID and energy subsidies.

For the years 2016 to 2020 the UK outperformed the EU generally in every year, and every country other than Germany and for two of the years France , though the latter very marginally. This is a very low bar mind, and even lower now.

Post COVID it has done the same generally , but not outperformed Italy or France, although the latter mostly due to giant energy subsidies, now drawn back.

Some things have been worse of course, some better. In 2021 and 2022 exports to the EU broke records in successive years. Small businesses have suffered at the hands some of intransigent countries' deliberate efforts to obstruct trade, despite a free trade deal with the EU.

It could and should have been handled much better, but the BBC line of "catastrophe" does not bear scrutiny. It could have been made up by the same people who have been making Panorama recently.

Nor was immigration the fault of Brexit. It was the fault of a useless government who turned a blind eye to it, while saying they wanted it to stop. Nothing changing there.
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Sorry I disagree, Brexit has massively damaged our economy and contributed to record immigration imho. The consensus of experts told us what would happen and they were right and Farage, Hove and Johnson were wrong.

I do agree the last government mismanaged immigration, mainly through the big cuts to border staff and therefore not processing migrants quickly enough which led to the hotel issue. This government has and is recruiting staff to tackle the issue (300+ at the last count i believe) but it’s going to take time to get on top of the issue.

Sadly an opportunist protest politician (who mainly caused the problem) can tell everyone can fix it overnight. Sadly he is the problem
Not the solution.
 
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It's all kicking off in Consett. Lib Dem councillor has been told she cannot lay the wreath at the Remembrance Service as a Reform councillor from another area is doing it.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965867297528216/posts/2141362349978709/

I’m a councillor in Durham and I’ve been told today I’m not allowed to lay the wreath in my ward on Sunday at the remembrance service, a reform councillor from a different ward will be laying it in my ward, I can’t lay the official Durham council one I’ve to source my own if I want to lay one.
The council wreath is currently in my possession and wonder will they be wrestling it off me at the service ?
 
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Why has brexit failed. Can you explain to me a person right of centre ,not got a degree but understands economic a bit.
If it failed, that means less goods produced so less people employed and reduced profits, yet you and the left experts say this would happen and also country would still need to have massive immigration, iTunes not compute to my uneducated mind.
Are these the same experts that told reeves that the best way to improve productivity and reduce inflation is to hike up taxes for businesses , look where that has got the country.
 
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FellTop said:
Possible tax per mile for EV drivers <laugh><laugh>

These clowns have no shame do they. You do your best, as advised by govt, to help with climate. Oh hang, we will tax you because it is not fair fossil fuel users have to pay more...

I dont drive an EV by the way.
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Must admit I creased up laughing when I saw that on the news this morning, I thought how gullible anyone believing this Labour government.
They might not do it yet, but I doubt it.
The mileage will probably be taken from the MOT certificate and paid yearly I guess, maybe they have another way though.
 
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rooch 3 said:
Must admit I creased up laughing when I saw that on the news this morning, I thought how gullible anyone believing this Labour government.
They might not do it yet, but I doubt it.
The mileage will probably be taken from the MOT certificate and paid yearly I guess, maybe they have another way though.
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How many cars will not get an MOT, a new type of car identification is required now ,how many cloned cars are on the road now, it's scary reading reports of the stress people are having to go through to prove it was not them committing an offence.
We need something like a dedicated identity for all vehicles that is detectable and visable and cannot be altered. What it could be is any ones guess
 
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