Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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There’s flags and there’s flags. No ones offended by a flag but when they’re used like dogs pissing on lamp posts to make a statement by a bunch of hateful little flag shaggers our flags are essentially disrespected by those said people. It’s exactly this in the past that tarnished them. They should do something that helps their neighbours instead and give us more to be proud of. The union was literally a celebration of partnership across difference. If there’s a 17 foot one above an Asian shop it’s wrong. Many Indians ironically use the flags more than I ever would.
But it ok to support the flag of the PLO and Hamas whom fly the flag of Palestine, let think about it in extremist terms and football leagues, PLO premier league, EDL with their hate words probably vaux wearside league
 
I haven’t been a member of a union but they have a job to do for their members whether we like it or not and if it wasn’t for the unions working conditions in this country would still be in the dark ages but I’m sure that will not stop your union bashing matey.
Yawn Yawn Yawn, I was a member of a union my whole working life but as once told by my conveyor "what would you prefer to lose, 10% of work force or 100 %. It's the public sector unions that want to take the country back to Victorian times hence the crap expensive services on offer to the British people now.
 
Yawn Yawn Yawn, I was a member of a union my whole working life but as once told by my conveyor "what would you prefer to lose, 10% of work force or 100 %. It's the public sector unions that want to take the country back to Victorian times hence the crap expensive services on offer to the British people now.
Well your the union fella not me so your to blame for all the country’s ills. :)

Speak as you find, we had to use the nhs for an elderly relative recently, at an ungodly hour, and the service was excellent.

That said under the last Labour government we had the shortest nhs waiting lists in history and under the last Tory government we had the longest nhs waiting lists in history so I think that has little to do with the unions. Hopefully this new labour government sorts out the mess the admistrative tories created and invests. The alternative is Farage and a dismantled nhs at his backers bidding. Il be fine because I can afford private medical insurance but millions in this country won’t be as fortunate as me.
 
But it ok to support the flag of the PLO and Hamas whom fly the flag of Palestine, let think about it in extremist terms and football leagues, PLO premier league, EDL with their hate words probably vaux wearside league
So stereotypical whataboutry there. I see no need whatsoever to fly Palestine or Hamas flags, certainly Hamas is abhorrent.

However, lets be honest we know why people are putting up flags buts its good to see the English flag flying promoting multiculturalism with the Turkish fella St George.
 
Well your the union fella not me so your to blame for all the country’s ills. :)

Speak as you find, we had to use the nhs for an elderly relative recently, at an ungodly hour, and the service was excellent.

That said under the last Labour government we had the shortest nhs waiting lists in history and under the last Tory government we had the longest nhs waiting lists in history so I think that has little to do with the unions. Hopefully this new labour government sorts out the mess the admistrative tories created and invests. The alternative is Farage and a dismantled nhs at his backers bidding. Il be fine because I can afford private medical insurance but millions in this country won’t be as fortunate as me.
Can never fault the front line NHS or all other services, it is the top heavy and middle layers that need culling, too many pen pushers getting involved in things that don't concern them to keep themselves in a job.
 
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Agree on the first sentence but not the 2nd. The 10 year plan is the other good policy. They’ve found pockets of good practice and made it policy. I think those reforms will make efficiencies but without losing quality. But it will take time. It’s why I hope Labour launch the wooden man and his puppet master. Consistency combined with good policy is worth longevity, but they need to be led well.
I thought you were liking me liking a reform policy for a moment :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
Certainly the US and given the batshit crazy bloke they elected as president obviously some do.

The ones I have seen left up are all tattered and look a mess with the cheap cable ties - very classy. The councils will sooner or later have to address this eyesore and the nuggets who put them up will be the first complaining about other council work not being carried out as resources are diverted.
The US has always been a flag flying nation. Nothing wrong with that, they are proud of their country and want to show it by flying, maintaining, and respecting the colours of the nation on their homes and businesses. In a lot of ways I respect and admire that.

Compare and contrast to the poundshop cretins who tied cheap and flimsy flags, at what appears to be half mast, to lamp posts over here and now just leave them to be ripped to pieces by the weather. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and disrespectful.
 
Starmer and Reeves are unpopular because they have one hell of a mess to clear up after 14 years of incompetent and corrupt Tory rule.

if Badenoch is the answer the country is truly fookd.

They are unpopular because they are attempting to govern by slogan, and completely fail to understand that if you throw billions of pounds worth of costs at employers, two things happen. And they always happen

One the costs get passed on, and two, employers start laying off and not hiring people. This is happening now, and it is the first time in a long time. Whatever else might be said about it, the UK economy has provided a lot of jobs. Now over half of employers are saying that they will reduce their workforce or stop hiring.

In the private sector world, where all the money is made, that is a very big deal. In the public sector, it doesn't register.

Even with the state obsessed and fairly useless Tories, with huge public spending and taxes too high, they had inflation at around 2% last July. The economy had grown for five months on the trot, and for ten of the previous twelve. It also grew after the election each month before Reeves budget. It won't be growing much for some time now, I can absolutely promise you that.

But the Treasury, who by the way are making the majority of the decisions here, are all anti-growth, and make no bones about it. They even have a name for it, given to them by the man who put most of them there. Gordon Brown and Ed Balls called it Post Endogenous Growth Theory. The basis of which is that, well you can't just keep on growing an economy, so lets all carve up what's there.

That is why the economy has been declining since the turn of the century.
 
Starmer and Reeves are unpopular because they have one hell of a mess to clear up after 14 years of incompetent and corrupt Tory rule.

if Badenoch is the answer the country is truly fookd.
They are unpopular because they are incompetent and have proven themselves untrustworthy.

More than a year in and the pair of them are yet to show an ounce of know how or a plan worthy of the name.

They walked into a huge majority in parliament, hailed as saviours. They were popular. It is their own stupidity that has made them unpopular. They are so far out of their depth. We need the Labour Party and its supporters to be much more demanding.
 
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My money is on a Tory/Reform coalition which I think could work.
I think the Tories have a few more cycles of redemption to go through before gaining any kind of power. If the electorate decide on a right of centre government it will be Reform.

I can see the tories ditching Badenoch within the next 12 months, lurching probably to Jenrick who will lead them to defeat at the next election, maybe then one more tory right winger before settling on a one nation type of leader who will be more appealing to the centre.
 
Will this influence a change in direction here ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cg51m5emnmvt#player
Mamdani is focused on improving material wealth for everyday people

Mamdami is focused on himself. He is very typical of his type. A very privileged education, (£50k a year back then- he rejected the chance to go to a more humble £5k a year one), never had a real job of any kind and appears not to have got beyond fifth form slogans with exclamation marks in them. He is also, like his father, deeply resentful and hostile to the country which welcomed him in.

If enacted, his policies would be a serious accelerant to New York's decline. He has committed to over $10bn of spending, probably a lot more, money which the city does not have. This for a budget of around $110bn. He proposes to, you guessed it, "tax the rich!". Well the top 1% in New York already pay about 50% of all income tax there. Businesses too will be targeted, and of course, they will all just stay there and pay more and more tax, rather than locate to Texas or Florida, where they have been moving already. New York also requires a massive bailout every year from federal funds. About £8bn -$10bn last year, depending on how the numbers are looked at. A lot of that money is allocated by executive decree, so a good way of getting more is to abuse and insult the incumbent POTUS.

Mamdami is insulated from all the problems that City impoverishment will bring. He won't have to walk the un-policed streets, or navigate them when the incentivised drug addicts set up camp. None of it will touch him.

But a lot of it is grandstanding, just playing to a client vote. He does not have the power to do any of the things over which he bloviates , being unable to do them without the approval of the State Legislature and the Governor, who though both left wing, are not as disconnected from the world as is Mamdami.

That is without his appalling record on crime. And much else. It is a sad day for a great city. This bloke is a bad piece of work in a cuddly mask.
 
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Mamdami is focused on himself. He is very typical of his type. A very privileged education, (£50k a year back then- he rejected the chance to go to a more humble £5k a year one), never had a real job of any kind and appears not to have got beyond fifth form slogans with exclamation marks in them. He is also, like his father, deeply resentful and hostile to the country which welcomed him in.

If enacted, his policies would be a serious accelerant to New York's decline. He has committed to over $10bn of spending, probably a lot more, money which the city does not have. This for a budget of around $110bn. He proposes to, you guessed it, "tax the rich!". Well the top 1% in New York already pay about 50% of all income tax there. Businesses too will be targeted, and of course, they will all just stay there and pay more and more tax, rather than locate to Texas or Florida, where they have been moving already. New York also requires a massive bailout every year from federal funds. About £8bn -$10bn last year, depending on how the numbers are looked at. A lot of that money is allocated by executive decree, so a good way of getting more is to abuse and insult the incumbent POTUS.

Mamdami is insulated from all the problems that City impoverishment will bring. He won't have to walk the un-policed streets, or navigate them when the incentivised drug addicts set up camp. None of it will touch him.

But a lot of it is grandstanding, just playing to a client vote. He does not have the power to do any of the things over which he bloviates , being unable to do them without the approval of the State Legislature and the Governor, who though both left wing, are not as disconnected from the world as is Mamdami.

That is without his appalling record on crime. And much else. It is a sad day for a great city. This bloke is a bad piece of work in a cuddly mask.
Sounds a step up from Trump then. Not a dumb aspiring fascist.