Have another one on me Lyndhurst. My son was the first in the whole family to get a degree of any description and opted out of the ceremony which pee'd me off a bit. I thought I'd never get the chance to go to one and be the proud dad. But, my daughter having shown no sign of wanting to further her education suddenly took off and got her degree so went to that one. She will get her Masters next year having gone on a stage now so will have another one to go to. It's a bit like a cattle market the way they all troop up for the presentation but it's kind of a chufftie when it's one of your's. In a lot of ways my daughter has done a lot better than her brother because she has held down a job, albeit not full time, and run a family whilst doing the business. I take my hat off to her for the dedication and effort. Clearly takes after her dad so I told the wife last time. Her reply was "if I ever meet him again I'll shake his hand this time".