Ooops, bit of a mix up there, i thought you were talking about Sanchez and you obviously meant Brendan
The real Brendan not the false one.
The "official" all things Suarez thread
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The real Brendan not the false one.
Diego:6710224 said:
Value is set by the club who have him even if it's formalised with a buyout clause. He's theirs so its their valuation that matters. unless you are a club who only produces players with selling in mind every time which we are not.
Indeed, inquiring clubs can disagree about the valuation but that doesn't result in the valuation being lowered or we'd all be offering a pound for Messi.
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That`s what i meant by my last sentence
Realise that but my point was the value of a player is set by the selling club. If someone thinks he is worth more then he moves, otherwise he stays put.
But a player only becomes a certain value if a club is prepared to pay that. Ronaldo and Bale were valued at £80mil because two clubs were prepared to pay that, Carrol was obviously valued at £35mil by Liverpool because they paid that for him. You can place a price tag of £1 billion on a player, if nobody pays it it means nothing.
That's far too general. The value is individual to each participant; the price is the amount they agree upon. The influence on the price is determined by various factors, including the willingness to sell and to buy, number of interested buyers and potential alternatives. In this case, Liverpool only seem to want to sell if they get the buyout clause or near-enough to it, in which case they call the shots. If they were desperate to flog him, Barcelona would call the shots. If, say, Real or PSG became interested, Liverpool would have more bargaining power and could call the shots better. If a similar player to Suarez was a viable alternative, Liverpool's position would be weakened again. And so on.
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I guess Giggs, Scholes and co were never worth a penny then
How do you know Real wouldn't have paid more for C.Ronaldo or Bale...?
PS...Re; £1b. It means the club that own the player values him higher than anyone else.
If there's a clause in the players contract its only triggered when the buying club meet it, so you better expect Barca to pay a fee very close to or a money plus player deal very close to the fee in the clause, Wednesdays negotiations were just for Barca to test our resolve.
You're mixing value and price again. You may value a player at 1 billion, but that doesn't mean its a viable market price. Similarly, even if Arsenal values Suarez at 40 mil, it doesn't mean that that's a valid market price either if there are no sellers willing to sell for that amount.
Bit over simplistic.
The valuation by the owning club is arrived at over various concerns, shirts yes are part of it, but performance for us and what that performance gains the club in competitions etc, possibility of performance AGAINST us if sold to a rival, ability to replace like for like or improve upon. Ability to attract players because that player plays for the club....increased value of club sponsorship because that player is at the club..decreased value of sponsorship if player not at club. It's not just a number pulled out of thin air hoping someone will fall for it or even be frightened off by it.
It's a valuation based on real numbers.
The valuation by the owning club is arrived at over various concerns, shirts yes are part of it, but performance for us and what that performance gains the club in competitions etc, possibility of performance AGAINST us if sold to a rival, ability to replace like for like or improve upon. Ability to attract players because that player plays for the club....increased value of club sponsorship because that player is at the club..decreased value of sponsorship if player not at club. It's not just a number pulled out of thin air hoping someone will fall for it or even be frightened off by it.
It's a valuation based on real numbers.
I guess Giggs, Scholes and co were never worth a penny then
How do you know Real wouldn't have paid more for C.Ronaldo or Bale...?
PS...Re; £1b. It means the club that own the player values him higher than anyone else.
Indeed. If they were only worth the price to Real, then Real's expected net benefit to the transaction is 0 and they would be just as well off not buying them and saving the money.
Not certain who you're talking to, but I agree with everything. At least, I hope that's what Liverpool do...
You may be getting confused between price and value/worth, Suarez probably makes lots of money for Liverpool in shirt sales, league position and extra money from gaining a Champions League place. At Barca he would not out sell shirts of Messi or Nymar (maybe for the first 2 months as a new player), he would not single handedly improve their league position and he would not gain them extra Champions League money, so although they may wish to add him to their squad his value/worth to them may not be as high as it is to Liverpool.
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Nozzer:6710294 said:
Sorry, replying to Diego: forgot to quote rather than just new post. By time I'd finished you'd pretty much said it all already lol....
Yeah, just an excuse for a few Catalonians to have a jolly in London for a few days.
Yeah, just an excuse for a few Catalonians to have a jolly in London for a few days.
Do you reckon there'll be a second meeting in Barcelona in return, so that Ayre can go to the beach and do some sightseeing?