The Mural

NowsufferinginSpain said:
He painted the mural in an historically Jewish part of East London.

And you’re deflecting. The work has clear connotations that he must have been aware. That and the venue he chose.
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Sorry but London is a melting pot of ethnicity, you can't use its location to try and frame it as anti-semitic.

And I'm not deflecting at all, I'm aware that some people view it as anti-semitic, and I can see the connotations as to why they might be offended by that. I just don't happen to agree with them. I think first and foremost it's a socio/political comment and some of the people caricatured happen to be Jewish. That doesn't make them immune to criticism, simply because they are Jewish though imo.
 
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In the late 1800s through to Nazi Germany there many depictions of Jewish people were meant to demean and mock them.
From what I saw of the mural the depiction of the Jewish Bankers resembled the racist caricature of previous times.
So, in my opinion, it is anti Semitic.

There is no way that someone would paint a picture of a black person using some of the racist caricatures from the 1800s and get away with claiming they were not being racist.

At best the bloke was very very ignorant and at worst was prepared to use racist imagery...neither thing should have been supported by Corbyn imho
 
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Saints_Alive said:
Intelligent people see through this, people that like and support Corbyn will not change their vote and people that don't support or like won't change either IMO.
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About right.

There are a lot of people on the liberal left though (and I usually count myself in that category) who seem very disinclined to give Corbyn a fair chance. His election to the leadership - twice - of the Labour Party followed probably the most democratic process in the history of any British political party.
 
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Archers Road said:
About right.

There are a lot of people on the liberal left though (and I usually count myself in that category) who seem very disinclined to give Corbyn a fair chance. His election to the leadership - twice - of the Labour Party followed probably the most democratic process in the history of any British political party.
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He might pick up a few votes from the thick Neo-Nazi thugs who may think that he is really anti-semitic!..:grin:
 
Archers Road said:
About right.

There are a lot of people on the liberal left though (and I usually count myself in that category) who seem very disinclined to give Corbyn a fair chance. His election to the leadership - twice - of the Labour Party followed probably the most democratic process in the history of any British political party.
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Unfortunately (because it detracts from reality) Corbyn is a godsend to the right wing media scaremongers ... I've heard people saying that they "can't stand Corbyn" but when questioned as to why really can't come up with anything of any substance - which proves just what a "good job" the press do from a right wing perspective.

I firmly believe that if it was David Milliband speaking exactly the same words, then Labour would be eminently electable ...
 
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FosseFilberto said:
Unfortunately (because it detracts from reality) Corbyn is a godsend to the right wing media scaremongers ... I've heard people saying that they "can't stand Corbyn" but when questioned as to why really can't come up with anything of any substance - which proves just what a "good job" the press do from a right wing perspective.

I firmly believe that if it was David Milliband speaking exactly the same words, then Labour would be eminently electable ...
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Meanwhile, Ed Milliband got castigated by the same right wing press, whilst his father, a war veteran, was labelled an enemy of Britain.

... I'm also pretty sure there was a deliberate racist subtext to photographs ridiculing a Jew eating a bacon roll. Or maybe I imagined that...
 
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remembercolinlee said:
In the late 1800s through to Nazi Germany there many depictions of Jewish people were meant to demean and mock them.
From what I saw of the mural the depiction of the Jewish Bankers resembled the racist caricature of previous times.
So, in my opinion, it is anti Semitic.

There is no way that someone would paint a picture of a black person using some of the racist caricatures from the 1800s and get away with claiming they were not being racist.

At best the bloke was very very ignorant and at worst was prepared to use racist imagery...neither thing should have been supported by Corbyn imho
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I can see why people have drawn parallels but I disagree with them tbh. The Nazi propaganda against Jews depicted Jews killing children and drinking their blood. Stealing white aryan German women with intent to rape them etc. That is a clear and deliberate attempt to demonise an entire race using completely fabricated ideas.

The mural however, depicts a picture containing some bankers some of whom happen to be Jewish. It’s a comment on the banking cartel rather than an overt demonisation of Jews imo.

Again, I don’t think anybody should be immune to criticism about their practices in business simply because of their religion or ethnicity. Essentially the argument here is that these people cannot be satirised or caricatured because they are Jewish (or at least some of them are)
 
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Claiming that the mural is not anti semetic is as fine an example of sophistry as you are likely to see anywhere.

Corbyn himself has stated that the mural is anti semetic. It's not the first time he has been found to have condoned/allowed anti semetism within his party either.

[HASHTAG]#rightwingconspiracy[/HASHTAG]
[HASHTAG]#wheresaberdude[/HASHTAG]
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
This is a mural that was commissioned for a wall in East London in 2012, called Freedom for humanity, by some ‘artist’ calling him/herself Mear One.

It’s blatantly anti Semitic, so much so that at the time the then mayor Rahman - a Muslim - ordered its removal.

The ‘artist’ complained and was backed up by Corbyn on Facebook, saying “You’re in good company, Rockefeller destroyed Diego Viera’s picture because it includes a picture of Lenin”

I’m sure many people will ask why Corbyn felt it necessary to offer support to such a blatant piece of anti Semitic trash!
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Oh look out captain outrage has arrived .

It is art .
You can read into it what you will but when we continue to ban speech and paintings that we pretend to be offended by then we will live in a totalitarian grey World.

Which is kind of ironic because the painting to me represents the few getting rich and owning the many .

Which I believe was Corbyn's motto during elections.
 
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Moggy For PM said:
Claiming that the mural is not anti semetic is as fine an example of sophistry as you are likely to see anywhere.

Corbyn himself has stated that the mural is anti semetic. It's not the first time he has been found to have condoned/allowed anti semetism within his party either.

[HASHTAG]#rightwingconspiracy[/HASHTAG]
[HASHTAG]#wheresaberdude[/HASHTAG]
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And yet you liked this post....

Sweats. said:
There’s a **** load of them in north London and most major cities. They’re mental mate. Whole areas dedicated to them with their weird wires connecting the houses so they can walk around at night.

You a bit Jewish??

My wife is a bit Jewish. One day I will gas her.
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[HASHTAG]#rightwinghypocrite[/HASHTAG]
 
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Saints_Alive said:
Would a Jew find it funny though?
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Maybe but being offended on behalf of others is more offensive to me than both the joke and mural .

So in today's trend of not offending people you are the aggressor.

Are black people offended by the depiction of them on their knees being used as a table ?
 
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