Off Topic The Migrant Crisis

[wizered]

Hello 'Pikey Rob' nice to have you back active again, nice to have a 'Lefty' giving it stick again, keep waving your banner mate.

 

[Jiffie]

Yeah and we need a better Home Secretary, absolutely useless she is. She gives off this vibe of being tough and strict to migrants to appease the masses but in reality she and her government have done nothing but make this worse over the past decade.

I agree there has to be a reason, of course there has. Maybe we are an ideal country to set up business in once granted asylum, something like that, I've no idea. But it really isn't down to the benefits, how can it be?

I agree about her and the tories in general especially over this matter and others like the culling of 21k of police officers, customs and Border force staff etc.

We will agree to disagree about the benefits, the difference is as I said in France and many other EU countries accessing them for genuine UK citizens when we were in the EU was bordering on the impossible.

 

[BCFCRob]

Hello 'Pikey Rob' nice to have you back active again, nice to have a 'Lefty' giving it stick again, keep waving your banner mate.

Haha cheers wiz

I agree about her and the tories in general especially over this matter and others like the culling of 21k of police officers, customs and Border force staff etc.

We will agree to disagree about the benefits, the difference is as I said in France and many other EU countries accessing them for genuine UK citizens when we were in the EU was bordering on the impossible.

I won't pretend to know anything in detail about welfare in France so I'm sure you're right on that, I was just looking at the numbers. I don't think it is particularly easy here mind after being granted asylum, particularly after having a quick search. But yeah I can't argue on that point.

 

[Jiffie]

Haha cheers wiz



I won't pretend to know anything in detail about welfare in France so I'm sure you're right on that, I was just looking at the numbers. I don't think it is particularly easy here mind after being granted asylum, particularly after having a quick search. But yeah I can't argue on that point.

I would like to see the system from granting asylum to citizenship be something precious that has to be achieved over a number of years and serious and or continuous breaches of our laws resulting in removal. Something akin to the American system. Which at present averages at present approximately 2 years and requires at least 5 different elements to it's process.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Yeah and we need a better Home Secretary, absolutely useless she is. She gives off this vibe of being tough and strict to migrants to appease the masses but in reality she and her government have done nothing but make this worse over the past decade. To put it bluntly, we're now in the ****ty position of not being able to get rid of the migrants that we 'don't' want (asylum seekers) and not being able to get enough of the migrants that we do want (lorry drivers, waiters, etc). Not exactly the control over our borders that we anticipated is it.

I agree there has to be a reason they want to come here, of course there has. Maybe we are an ideal country to set up business in once granted asylum, something like that, I've no idea. But it really isn't down to the benefits, how can it be?

Boris is way too weak when it come to dealing effectively with people who step out of line (Dominic Cummings) and people who are understandably probably bullies and not doing their job effectively (Patel). Had he sacked Cummings without hesitation, he would have laid down a marker of expectation to everyone else.
But the opportunity wasn't taken.

 

[Jiffie]

Boris is way too weak when it come to dealing effectively with people who step out of line (Dominic Cummings) and people who are understandably probably bullies and not doing their job effectively (Patel). Had he sacked Cummings without hesitation, he would have laid down a marker of expectation to everyone else.
But the opportunity wasn't taken.

Sacking in politics isn't as easy as in the 'real' world, they know too much, they are protected by the people who actually hold the power (even poor old Kier found that out over Rayner) and the good old ruling class elitist motto of never admit that you made a mistake in promoting somebody, it exists in public life, the military, the police and virtually everywhere where there is a system of rank.