What would be the point of having linesmen? Every pass forward would go to var? That’s where the game is headed.
On the offside I'd go for clear daylight on head and body ... ignore limbs ... benefit to the attacker... that should lend itself to a quick assessment In handball I'd go 'hand to bal' ... still open to interpretation but better than the current situation whereby an attacker can be penalised but a defender excused for any contact however unintentional
Daylight rule is now completely feasible as all Prem grounds have capability for horizon5al VAR freeze and line ... I'd restrict it to trunk and head ... limbs irrelevant
****ing hell we agree You will never eliminate subjectivity mate and this ruling hasn't for defending teams.
Definitely agree with you on that, if the offside is barely visible then give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker, there'll be times where that'll work for and against you but there really isn't an advantage if the difference is millimetres. I'd say either none at all or keep it as it is, I don't think opening it up to work both ways would be a good idea because that could then persuade attacking players who don't have a sight on goal to simply chip the ball onto an opponent's arm and therefore get a pen. I get that by only having it one-way gives an advantage to the defending team and personally I do think from a general view that City's goal should've stood the other day but if accidental handballs are to be punished in the box it should - in my opinion - only be towards the attacking team, as harsh at that may be.
VAR's here to stay ... it just needs practical refinement ... In rugby the fans don't celebrate any less when a try is scored because the ref might want to check the grounding .. Lot of carp being sounded about fans not celebrating ... no different to having a goal disallowed because you didn't notice a linesman flagging ... at least with VAR it should be because the rules have been enforced scientifically
I disagree mate, a defender trying to kick it against an attackers arm is exactly the same as the situation you describe. I think it has to be one way or the other not half and half personally.
I thought that was the early purpose and method of the rule? Apologies if incorrect but my point stands.
What you on about Quents? ... doesn't need 'every professional's... just common sense rules that can be quickly assessed ...
A defender wouldn't risk that in the box though, the first instinct is to blast it up the pitch. It's far too risky if you're a defender trying to play a crafty chip onto an attacker's arm because if it doesn't pay off you've gifted possession in your own box. Whereas if an attacker is anywhere in the box with nowhere really to go or not sight on goal, there's literally nothing to lose from their point of view because they're likely to lose possession regardless, so if they can gain a penalty out of nothing it's a right touch for them.
The wolves fans appear to think differently but then I always thought that they were most knowledgeable bunch in the Midlands
And in the next match someone will be full stretch on the ground with his foot 2m offside and will be given onside because his head ovelaps the body of the last defender.
Fwiw I ball to hand and hand to ball is definitely subjective and watching it back loads of times won't clear it up. I wouldn't pick any particular part of the body for clear daylight either, if you can see the space between the too when looking across the pitch then it's offside, if there's no space between then it's on.
'daylight' was never an official rule .. rather a 'guidance to help linesman ... but it would be perfect now using same technology as in horse racing for photo finish... could be done in seconds ...
