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Hello, ITFC and general football obsessed fan here. Your discussion about the wider set up of your club as an issue affecting you and seoarate from the string of individual managers that get the pointy end of the blame for your under achievements resonates.

we haven’t done well just because we lucked out finding Europe’s best young manager from under your noses. If our previous (well intentioned but utterly hopeless owner) had appointed him he’d have struggled big time.

rather the club has undergone a total cultural, commercial, infrastructure and footballing overhaul. But that’s easier with a much smaller club than a behemoth like Man U.

I dont know what Ineos can achieve in this sense but they are clearly trying to cover these areas to join the dots ‘off the pitch’ as much as on it.

that said, for years under Fergie (who I loved as a teenager - you were the only decent English side carrying the flag in Europe on ITV CL nights!) we all tried everything but couldn’t knock you off your perch.

you might have to accept that however good the changes they make are, success is such a thin wedge it might allude you until city lose pep or they (justifiably imho) get relegated for their obscene use of money and exploitation of football for wider purposes.

you have some fab players (Garnacho looks a gem to me) and I suspect you are a couple of tweaks (be it coach, or players) away from top 4 this season and then the CL platform is yours again.

Anyway, see you at Portman road! It’s been a while since I could say that…
 
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glazerfodder said:
We do love a saga don't we, this so-called review is taking as long as Rio Ferdinand's transfer. At least Tuchel appears to be out of the running - phew.
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I caught this over the weekend. It depends on whether what we're reading is all made up bollox.
 
Let's give all this some context. Since ETH arrived he has had to deal with the fallout from Greenwood starting in Jan 2022, then in the following season in Nov 22 he had to deal with Ronaldo's ego and the announcement that the club was up for sale, the fallout from which hung around like a fart in a lift for another year or more. Add to that the Sancho saga and the constant problems through injury throughout both his seasons in charge.

Given all those problems he seems to still have the dressing room (Rashford perhaps not, but certainly the majority), and deserves the right to one untroubled, and hopefully injury-free season to show what he can do. Hopefully with the new club management and a good window we can hit the ground running.
 
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glazerfodder said:
Let's give all this some context. Since ETH arrived he has had to deal with the fallout from Greenwood starting in Jan 2022, then in the following season in Nov 22 he had to deal with Ronaldo's ego and the announcement that the club was up for sale, the fallout from which hung around like a fart in a lift for another year or more. Add to that the Sancho saga and the constant problems through injury throughout both his seasons in charge.

Given all those problems he seems to still have the dressing room (Rashford perhaps not, but certainly the majority), and deserves the right to one untroubled, and hopefully injury-free season to show what he can do. Hopefully with the new club management and a good window we can hit the ground running.
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ETH is a very lucky man! At any other top club, he’d he gone!! Unfortunately, we are an emotional club. One day we are great, the next, it’s the end of time.

Had we lost the FA Cup final to City, do we think ETH would still be in the job? I’m certain that most would have wanted him gone at the sound of the final whistle to cap off an awful season. So, what’s actually changed? Another one good game which the team performed well and is now supposed to be the turning point? Just as we had far too many times in the season?

I’m not convinced ETH is the right man for the job after the mess this season. But now that he’s staying, ETH will be damned to not take to the lessons from last season and ensure the team hits the ground running in the next.

I imagine that ETH will have no more than the first twelve league games to make that point. Excuses about media treatment and injuries won’t work in the next season.
 
Shame Greenwood won't play for utd again as him and hoilund be perfect 2 strikers for united, players have done alot worse then him and still played like Gascoigne who people still bum to this day, won't be long till he stuffs it lol.
 
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Viva_Giggsy said:
Shame Greenwood won't play for utd again as him and hoilund be perfect 2 strikers for united, players have done alot worse then him and still played like Gascoigne who people still bum to this day, won't be long till he stuffs it lol.
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Rapist sympathiser right here ^^^^^ guys.
 
The best thing about keeping ETH is avoiding Southgate. Watching what he does with a talented England team is just fkin awful!
 
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Chief said:
If United employed Southgate I would be done with them until he left again.

There is no way I could support such an appointment, ever.
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The funny thing is even if Southgate rode his luck into winning something at the Euros, it would still be a disaster to have him at the club level. Just imaging watching his team play on a weekly basis.
 
So, no actual new contract then, the club have simply activated a one-year extension that was already there. Not a resounding show of support for ETH but at least we have certainty going into next season. No doubt it will be his last if we don't improve. .
 
Good to see RVN training the team. He is likely lined up as a possible candidate to take over from ETH if things don’t work out.
 
Chief said:
You seem very keen on Ten Hag failing, not really sure why?

Seems a bit odd, to be perfectly honest.
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Far from it! I’m being pragmatic knowing that the he lacks attributes to transform the team.

I asked after the FA cup final what has really changed given most people knew his time was up before the game. We won the game and all of a sudden he’s the right coach. That’s how emotionally we get with this stuff when the facts paint a different picture. We tend to hang our heads in hope which is not a winning formula.

Overall, he makes far too many excuses and takes very little responsibility. That is the biggest problem with ETH and I believe INEOS knows it based on the strategic moves they’ve made around team operations.
 
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