The Manager

[Diego]

I can't believe I'm posting this but I actually missed Fred this season

Think we sold the wrong midfielder tbh. No way we have as **** a season with him still in the team.

I was almost as gutted at losing Fred as i was when we lost Herrera, just could'nt see the reasoning behind either.

 

[Treble]

I was almost as gutted at losing Fred as i was when we lost Herrera, just could'nt see the reasoning behind either.

Ah come on Herrera was player of the season for a couple of years lets not get carried away.

But Fred was one player who improved massively under Ten Hag. I used to slate the bloke but had nothing but praise for him last year. Fck knows why we didn't keep him and sell McTominay.

 

[Diego]

Ah come on Herrera was player of the season for a couple of years lets not get carried away.

But Fred was one player who improved massively under Ten Hag. I used to slate the bloke but had nothing but praise for him last year. Fck knows why we didn't keep him and sell McTominay.

Not comparing the two, just thought both sales were pointless and hurt the team/squad.

 

[Treble]

One thing I've been wondering about with some of the names being mentioned is where's the consistency???

Tuchel, Poch, Potter, Southgate. They're hardly alike are they? or have similar footballing style or philosophy? Which does make me wonder what the fck is going on in terms of an identity to our game from the ppl at the top if they're just looking at any and every name.

 

[cytrax]

The elephant in the room is, regardless of media narrative and the blind eye that is always seemingly taken, City have (at least) 2 £60million+ players for every position. Built over ten years, with those not deemed Pep standard discarded and replaced quietly.

We don't!

Tan Hag has been at the club for two seasons and, even if we had spent that amount of money, it was absolutely impossible to accrue that type of squad.

Until he has, injuries hit us a **** ton harder than they do City.

Arsenal came up short and it's because they, also, haven't spent this money over a ten year period.

We've spaffed plenty money, badly, but it's been with multiple managers. We should probably support our current manager and give him the money to hopefully spend wisely, rather than start yet again

I don’t think we can keep attributing City’s success to simply spent money. The fact is that many teams have spent even more money with nothing to show for it. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1/ids/a/sa//saison_id/2018/saison_id_bis/2023/nat/0/pos//w_s//intern/0

The difference with City is they have Pep to get the most out of their investments while having a top down structure in place to sustain the objectives of the club. Of course, those fkers have doped the financial system, but we have to acknowledge that money is not the sole ingredient of their success. Ironically, the way we have gone about running the club proves that case.

On the last point, I disagree with simply giving money to ETH as the answer. We need to first institute a transfer system that is independent of a manager and Ineos knows this too with their moves so far. From ETH’s record, he has had far more success with players he didn’t spend money to bring in. This suggests he’s very resourceful with using grassroots talents that have come through the system. Such players seem to have the hunger and appear to better understand the demands of club than those we have spent millions to bring in and or those placed on huge unjust wages like Rashford, again, because of lack of structure.

There are few exceptions such as Martinez, Amad, Fernandez, etc. that have been outstanding buys and on what can be deemed regular wages. This suggests that a systemic approach to choosing players is far more important than simply giving money to ETH to spend. Hojlund is another solid player I believe will come good. But we paid far too much to get him here. Again, a sign of the club’s wastefulness.

So for me, the biggest opportunity for the club is addressing the lack of structure that has plagued us since Sir Alex left. Get that fixed, then ETH, or any other manager, can focus on getting the most out of the squad.

 

[cytrax]

One thing I've been wondering about with some of the names being mentioned is where's the consistency???

Tuchel, Poch, Potter, Southgate. They're hardly alike are they? or have similar footballing style or philosophy? Which does make me wonder what the fck is going on in terms of an identity to our game from the ppl at the top if they're just looking at any and every name.

With all the names I’ve seen, might as well just keep ETH until November/December to see where we are. Take lessons from this season and better hold him accountable.

If the club comes out today and back him, it will have a good psychological impact on the club and probably propel us from here.

 

[Chief]

I don’t think we can keep attributing City’s success to simply spent money. The fact is that many teams have spent even more money with nothing to show for it. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/pre...8/saison_id_bis/2023/nat/0/pos//w_s//intern/0

The difference with City is they have Pep to get the most out of their investments while having a top down structure in place to sustain the objectives of the club. Of course, those fkers have doped the financial system, but we have to acknowledge that money is not the sole ingredient of their success. Ironically, the way we have gone about running the club proves that case.

On the last point, I disagree with simply giving money to ETH as the answer. We need to first institute a transfer system that is independent of a manager and Ineos knows this too with their moves so far. From ETH’s record, he has had far more success with players he didn’t spend money to bring in. This suggests he’s very resourceful with using grassroots talents that have come through the system. Such players seem to have the hunger and appear to better understand the demands of club than those we have spent millions to bring in and or those placed on huge unjust wages like Rashford, again, because of lack of structure.

There are few exceptions such as Martinez, Amad, Fernandez, etc. that have been outstanding buys and on what can be deemed regular wages. This suggests that a systemic approach to choosing players is far more important than simply giving money to ETH to spend. Hojlund is another solid player I believe will come good. But we paid far too much to get him here. Again, a sign of the club’s wastefulness.

So for me, the biggest opportunity for the club is addressing the lack of structure that has plagued us since Sir Alex left. Get that fixed, then ETH, or any other manager, can focus on getting the most out of the squad.

No, it's not just about spending money, but what City do without anyone noticing is have the money to buy a centre half with big money, Otamendi for instance, and then just buy another(Gvardiol) if that one hasn't been good enough. They've been doing it for a decade.

Same with their full backs.

In the meantime, we're stuck with the likes of Lindelof.

We need a manager in place to stick around longer term and be able to do this.

What we need this summer are a striker, a centre midfield, a centre half and a left back as priorities.

Definitely keep Amrabat but Eriksen goes. Casemiro might go also, but I'd like another season out of him

There's no way back for Sancho, so forget that, and it might well yet be Rashford also leaves.
We've got ample wide players though, and Mount can play on the right in a 4 3 3 formation anyway.

Those areas are covered, it's defence needs bolstering.

 

[Treble]

3 cup finals winning 2.
Bringing through youth players which is what United is about.
Majority of United fans want him to be given another year at least.

INEOS need to think carefully. If they sack him and fck up with the next manager then this is all on them. At the moment they'll have the fans backing if he stays so even if it ends up with TH screwing up no one will be critical of them.

Plus there's no one better around or at least you can say is going to do anything more long term.

And as I've posted before all the managers being touted are all diffetent and all play a different style of football which means no one in the club appears to have a scooby what our football should be about.

 

[Diego]

3 cup finals winning 2.
Bringing through youth players which is what United is about.
Majority of United fans want him to be given another year at least.

INEOS need to think carefully. If they sack him and fck up with the next manager then this is all on them. At the moment they'll have the fans backing if he stays so even if it ends up with TH screwing up no one will be critical of them.

Plus there's no one better around or at least you can say is going to do anything more long term.

And as I've posted before all the managers being touted are all diffetent and all play a different style of football which means no one in the club appears to have a scooby what our football should be about.

I would'nt [ay too much attention to names being mentioned in the press, they are just click bait.
I think sir Jim will announce a new manager if he decides we need one and not let multiple leaks out to journos.

 

[Treble]

I would'nt [ay too much attention to names being mentioned in the press, they are just click bait.
I think sir Jim will announce a new manager if he decides we need one and not let multiple leaks out to journos.

There have been times when I wouldn't have argued against wanting TH out.

But I'm sick of the merry go round and the number of managers we've already gone through. We'd have to start ALL over again. We'd have another mishmash of players including those brought in by TH. We'd be back at square one.

TH has done what very few can prove they will i.e. deliver silverware. So we should stick with him.

Can we afford another season to find out? Yes!

Can we afford to bring in someone else only to fck up and be doing this again in a year or two? No!

 

[cytrax]

3 cup finals winning 2.
Bringing through youth players which is what United is about.
Majority of United fans want him to be given another year at least.

But you say that now after the feel good FA Cup victory. However, on balanced view of the results against lower tier teams this season, champions league performances, how we have played, and where we ultimately ended up in the league and with that shtty goal difference, I do not think anyone would have accepted this outcome at the start of the season. Let’s face it, it has been flat out unacceptable to be as bad as we have been this season.

Therefore, if ETH gets sacked, many people will and should rationally understand why. Now, I’m not suggesting that he should be gone as I personally think he should be given a chance to right his wrongs. Plus I’m not that confident that anyone from the list is a magical fix. But it will be perfectly understandable if INEOS decides it’s time for ETH to move on. That outcome will be on ETH and not on INEOS.

 

[Treble]

But you say that now after the feel good FA Cup victory. However, on balanced view of the results against lower tier teams this season, champions league performances, how we have played, and where we ultimately ended up in the league and with that shtty goal difference, I do not think anyone would have accepted this outcome at the start of the season. Let’s face it, it has been flat out unacceptable to be as bad as we have been this season.

Therefore, if ETH gets sacked, many people will and should rationally understand why. Now, I’m not suggesting that he should be gone as I personally think he should be given a chance to right his wrongs. Plus I’m not that confident that anyone from the list is a magical fix. But it will be perfectly understandable if INEOS decides it’s time for ETH to move on. That outcome will be on ETH and not on INEOS.

I think we shouldn't go by the FA Cup result nor by some of the **** performances. We need to be pragmatic. I'm guessing that you are as you want him to get another season.

I dread to think what happens if we get a manager in and have to start again with a squad that has Van Gaal, Mourhino, Ole, and now Ten Hag's players.

TH has been here 2 years so there's some stability. INEOS have just come in. With what he's done so far he can continue to build his squad with the help of an actual heirarchy of footballing people.

If INEOS decide to let him go then what follows is entirely on them. If he goes and we're in a similar position a year or two years from now then that's on them. Like you say there's nobody out there you can point to and say they're guaranteed to make us title challengers. A year from now one of two things can happen - either Ten Hag proves himself, or he leaves and a better name is available than now.

 

[cytrax]

I think we shouldn't go by the FA Cup result nor by some of the **** performances. We need to be pragmatic. I'm guessing that you are as you want him to get another season.

I dread to think what happens if we get a manager in and have to start again with a squad that has Van Gaal, Mourhino, Ole, and now Ten Hag's players.

TH has been here 2 years so there's some stability. INEOS have just come in. With what he's done so far he can continue to build his squad with the help of an actual heirarchy of footballing people.

If INEOS decide to let him go then what follows is entirely on them. If he goes and we're in a similar position a year or two years from now then that's on them. Like you say there's nobody out there you can point to and say they're guaranteed to make us title challengers. A year from now one of two things can happen - either Ten Hag proves himself, or he leaves and a better name is available than now.

I have to agree with that.

I certainly can’t rationally say that bringing some random new fkin manager yet again is the solution. In my option, the solution has to start with ETH leveraging his experience at the club. None of those external managers know more than he does about the club and the expectations. I think a new season will be enough to energize the squad to move past a difficult season.

And hey, beating the supposedly best team in the multiverse is definitely not a bad template for the players to know what to expect of themselves going forward.

 

[Treble]

I have to agree with that.

I certainly can’t rationally say that bringing some random new fkin manager yet again is the solution. In my option, the solution has to start with ETH leveraging his experience at the club. None of those external managers know more than he does about the club and the expectations. I think a new season will be enough to energize the squad to move past a difficult season.

And hey, beating the supposedly best team in the multiverse is definitely not a bad template for the players to know what to expect of themselves going forward.

It's incredible I've been speaking to plenty of mates and everyone has their opinion on most things like on here, but on this nearly all feel the same.

One thing is under the surface though which needs to be tackled and that's the lazy fckers, the fickle miserable selfish players. The good news is they're getting fewer and fewer but I'll include the likes of Shaw and Rashford. The others hopefully are leaving in the summer. Can you think of anyone else?

Anyway, either they come on board 100% or they're sidelined. Oh I wish for the day when they were sent to the reserves!

 

[cytrax]

For any player, Rashford in particular, form has to always precede inclusion in the squad. This is one area ETH really showed his weakness in key positions. Giving stupid special treatments to knts!

He persisted with Antony on the right for way too long as well. Antony was literally untouchable last season as Rashford was until recently. That has to be the starting point of telling the players they must perform. Perform or get dropped. Develop better attitude while on the bench, or don’t make the match day at all. ETH has to stop making compromises that undermine the squad while deflating those willing to pull in the shift.

 

[Treble]

Big season for Antony coming up. He does put a shift in though.

 

[cytrax]

The silence with regards to ETH’s position suggests the club is certainly not fully backing him to be around next season.

But who will take the reins? Might as well go with Pochettino. I’d take him over Tuchel or anyone else mentioned. He will be a step up from ETH in getting more out of the players and will also continue to improve the strength of the younger players which ETH started.

 

[Treble]

So it's been almost 2 weeks since the Cup win.

I take it Ten Hag is staying then. Or are we going to drag this out for the next couple of months as well ffs?!

 

[glazerfodder]

I really do hope we don't end up with Southgate - tournament football doesn't translate well into league competition and his present showing of dullball fills me with dread

 

[Viva_Giggsy]

I really do hope we don't end up with Southgate - tournament football doesn't translate well into league competition and his present showing of dullball fills me with dread

If Southgate takes over we be lucky to finish top 10 next season, people forget he relegated a good Middlesbrough team last time he managed in the prem.