Reading reports that Ancelotti is under consideration. Now that his eyebrows seem to be in sync I'd have him. He seems to bring stability to each of his teams, he's been there, done that so has no problems with egos and big challenges.
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That’s a tough one for me, Glazer. He’s been all over the place in the league. I would prefer a manager that isn’t subject to merry go round. We need someone that will be committed for at least three to four years.
Mate with the money we pay they will all commit to 3 or 4 years, it's what they do in that time that counts.
We need someone who is going to go along similar lines to what Ralf is trying to install but with the authority and respect to drive it on, either that or we will be starting all over again.
Way I see it now is if we get someone like Ancelotti and there's no short term success I'd just be depressed. But we get someone new, who's got a fresh approach, a progressive style of football, then I'd be excited by the build and wouldn't care about the short-term success.
That’s what I mean by 3-4 years, at least. Even for the best candidate, we shouldn’t expect immediate return to success given the structural damage that the club is now trying to arrest.
I have no doubt that even hypothetically if either Pep or Klopp took the job next season, it would take them time to implement their ideas and turn it into success.
I'm torn on this one.
He's one of the manager merry go round men that I'd hope we'd now avoid.
But then again, he's definitely qualified for it, would be able to cope with it, and isn't currently unemployed waiting for someone to give him a job.
Plus, he knows fine well the Real Madrid job is never long term so could be interested.
I still think we need root and brach rebuild, and that Ten Haag would be that man, but Ancelotti is a better bet than Pochettino for me.
He's one of the manager merry go round men that I'd hope we'd now avoid.
But then again, he's definitely qualified for it, would be able to cope with it, and isn't currently unemployed waiting for someone to give him a job.
Plus, he knows fine well the Real Madrid job is never long term so could be interested.
I still think we need root and brach rebuild, and that Ten Haag would be that man, but Ancelotti is a better bet than Pochettino for me.
I’ve always said that the manager was/is only part of the puzzle. The whole structure of the football side of the club needed sorting once Fergie retired. He run the whole show before while the others in the hierarchy just focussed on the money side. That the recruiting of managers and players were disasters and still are shouldn’t have come as a surprise to anyone. No one with enough footballing experience was responsible for due diligence when making appointments. Have got the right structure now? Are we learning from the more successful clubs on manager (and player) appointments?
Ancelotti should have been a candidate whenever there was a “vacancy” at the club. But then there were these criteria about not fitting the club etc. Just like Conte didn’t fit apparently. What does that even mean? He is too aggressive or wants success at all costs? Just like Mourinho, is Ancelotti ten years too late? Ten Haag to me looks like a more reasonable punt but please give him time.
Rant over. Sorry for the pessimism. If truth be told football and Utd are secondary in my mind as we enter the most dangerous and dreadful period in my lifetime. Never thought that peace was so fragile and we’ve been brought so close to a catastrophic world war.
Ancelotti should have been a candidate whenever there was a “vacancy” at the club. But then there were these criteria about not fitting the club etc. Just like Conte didn’t fit apparently. What does that even mean? He is too aggressive or wants success at all costs? Just like Mourinho, is Ancelotti ten years too late? Ten Haag to me looks like a more reasonable punt but please give him time.
Rant over. Sorry for the pessimism. If truth be told football and Utd are secondary in my mind as we enter the most dangerous and dreadful period in my lifetime. Never thought that peace was so fragile and we’ve been brought so close to a catastrophic world war.
And BTW even if we have the right structures, have we got the right people in post? Are the directors the top people available? Are Fletcher and the other director whose name I can’t recall the best?
It's not something that's not already been said, and you're also absolutely right.
Since Ferguson and Gill left, the club has been mismanaged from top to bottom.
The only reasonable apponitment we made was Moyes, but the job proved to be too big for him. Even then, he should have stayed till season end.
After that, every single managerial appointment has been utter gash. The likes of Woodward signed big name players on stupid salaries and assumed the club would run itself, he has so much to answer for. Ultimately though, the Glazers employed him and stand accountable for absolutely everything.
What we should have done when it was obvious van Gaal wasn't fit for purpose was - pursue Guardiola, pursue Klopp, pursue Ancelotti (years ago, not now ffs) when there was an imminent availabilty at our club for them to fill.
Klopp wasn't even ****ing considered ffs! We had our arses out for the next available unemployed bloke, Mourinho, who proved to be a big mistake as well.
Can't even bring myself to mention Jose's replacement, other than he was also patently the wrong man.
We have to assume they will get it right this time, right? That while Rangnick is seeing the season out, they are sorting out the plan for the next man, surely?
I'd still like to think Louis Enrique is in the mix somewhere but the field is beggining to thin out.
Probably not, no.
We should be after the likes of Van der Sar.
Although I assume Rangnick will have some role to play up there.
Good people are always in demand…in all walks of life. If a manager is at the top of the tree the club should expect serious competition from other clubs. It will need to fight for the right one otherwise we’ll be left with candidates who nobody wants.
BTW just winning their domestic leagues or trophies is not enough. How did he deal with difficult top players? How did he get his team to deal with top opposition? How did integrate a star player into the team?
I would like to think that if we go for ten Haag we would look to bring in Van der sar too - he'd be a perfect fit in terms of how well he knows the club and he seems to be a double act with ten Haag at Ajax so he should be easy to pry away.
As Chief mentioned, Luis Enrique would be a great match! He has managed at the absolute top level and will be respected by all the players. He has a method of setting up his teams and that’s critical. If we can’t get Enrique, then ten Haag. But out of the two of them, I believe that Enrique will be the best bang for buck.
I’m quietly looking forward to seeing how Arnold manages the club going forward with his decision making process and depending on expert opinion as opposed to his own on football matters - everything that Woodward lacked.
I’m quietly looking forward to seeing how Arnold manages the club going forward with his decision making process and depending on expert opinion as opposed to his own on football matters - everything that Woodward lacked.
I think this from Rangnick today says where we're heading as far as the next manager is concerned. Looks to me like a Ten Hag type appointment.
"What is obvious, not only with Manchester City but also with Liverpool, they've had continuity and consistency on their position of manager and head coach for five or six years," said Rangnick.
"They have a very clear identity, clear idea of how they want to play. I know Jurgen in person and Pep from in Germany when he was at Bayern Munich, he also has a clear idea how he wants to play.
"This idea is the headline for everything that happens in the club, for recruitment, for any new players that they sign or at one stage will sell. This is the secret behind their success that they exactly know how they want to play.
"You can also call it a corporate identity and this is their guideline for everything they do, for new players, staff members, for experts in different areas of the game that have become more important. This is what all the top clubs in Europe have in common and something Manchester United needs to be developed and improved in the next couple of years."
"What is obvious, not only with Manchester City but also with Liverpool, they've had continuity and consistency on their position of manager and head coach for five or six years," said Rangnick.
"They have a very clear identity, clear idea of how they want to play. I know Jurgen in person and Pep from in Germany when he was at Bayern Munich, he also has a clear idea how he wants to play.
"This idea is the headline for everything that happens in the club, for recruitment, for any new players that they sign or at one stage will sell. This is the secret behind their success that they exactly know how they want to play.
"You can also call it a corporate identity and this is their guideline for everything they do, for new players, staff members, for experts in different areas of the game that have become more important. This is what all the top clubs in Europe have in common and something Manchester United needs to be developed and improved in the next couple of years."
