The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 11th August)

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w.c.dukenfield said:
Our conversion rate was poor but it was good that we made chances and the fact remains we scored more goals than all but 2 teams. Better that our goals were shared around. Surely it does not matter who scores?.
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absolutely I don’t care who scores them and of course it’s not a linear equation... you take Harrison, costa and bamford out of the side and replace them with 3 billy sharps, you’ll take more chances but create fewer. It was the issue bielsa talked about when trying to accommodate both nketiah and bamford.

the point some are trying to make is we should have been easily the top scorers in the league but weren’t ... our conversion rate of chances was at the bottom of the league. We were promoted despite our finishing not because of it. It’s something we need to improve next year. Just my opinion duke, respect yours.
 
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ristac said:
No idea on the exact stats but I bet chances to goals scored we are nowhere near the top and in the PL we are not going to get the same amount of chances.
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Took the words right out of my mouth, i was going to say we won't get nearly as many chances in the premier league, so logically need a more potent striker to take a better percentage of the ones that do come along, still think Bamford could be a very good no10 just not a striker.
 
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My thoughts are with you and your family 60.
Brighton are holding us to ransom, as much as I like Ben White their value of him is ridiculous.
 
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wakeycentraloneleeds said:
Why is the White signing more likely every day?. At the prices quoted i think less likely and would pull out. He has no experience except what bielsa gave him. Really over hyped player who Brighton did not rate. Time to move on and sign more players for bielsa to develope.there is no need to spend silly money this time around. Buyers are holding all the aces with no gate income. So we as newcomers with a premiership income guaranteed know what we can afford and White is too expensive. I doubt he is worth ten million but maybe in installments he is.
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I agree with Wakey, move on and get Stones from Citeh, he has played Pep football, very similar to Bielsa’s way.
Brighton are likely candidates to go down next season so young Ben Whites career might go down with them.
 
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Brighton apparently in talks with West Brom about selling CB Shane Duffy, meaning less likely White will be allowed to leave.
 
Doc said:
When you spend a record amount on a player its known as a marquee signing and even though I love Ben White is aint top draw. To spend £27m on a player I want a top top striker who will bang goals in as goals keeps us in the Premier League. Is Ben White worth £20m more than Paddy Bamford?
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We all love Bielsa and I might be putting 2+2 together and coming up with 6 but Bielsa not signing a contract yet and Orta/Rads looking like they’re putting all their eggs in Ben Whites basket? Is this a Bielsa requirement, would Bielsa prefer to have Ben White in defence and stick with Bamford up front? All a bit worrying, Ben White for £27m (White - Cooper) or Foyth and Stones £30m? Just £3-5m more for a combo of Foyth- Cooper-Stones
 
Wondering why Leeds are being linked to RBs? Matty Cash is the latest from Forest and another converted winger, plus we are buying the kid from Fulham who is a RB too but has played wing for England kids? Is Bielsa thinking about converting Ayling into a CB or is he looking at selling Hosannah.
 
milkyboy said:
absolutely I don’t care who scores them and of course it’s not a linear equation... you take Harrison, costa and bamford out of the side and replace them with 3 billy sharps, you’ll take more chances but create fewer. It was the issue bielsa talked about when trying to accommodate both nketiah and bamford.

the point some are trying to make is we should have been easily the top scorers in the league but weren’t ... our conversion rate of chances was at the bottom of the league. We were promoted despite our finishing not because of it. It’s something we need to improve next year. Just my opinion duke, respect yours.
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Despite our finishing? only one team scored more what do you expect?
 
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I'm still reading this 'we need a goal scorer' theme.
We cannot know how many chances we'll get in the Prem. We can only judge on last season when we won by 10 clear points, only one team scored more than us and they didn't get promoted.
The top scorers:
Mitrovic - up via play offs. Way behind us
Watkins - still in the Champ
Grabban - missed play offs
Grant - fighting relegation
Wells - nowhere

Wells had 18, Bamford had 16.

Who do you want to swap with?

I trust Bielsa so what he wants is fine with me.
 
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w.c.dukenfield said:
Despite our finishing? only one team scored more what do you expect?
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... a side to convert an average proportion of their chances

not sure what you’re not getting here duke. I’m:

- very happy we got promoted
- but think we should have scored a lot more from The chances We created - which is supported by all the stats
- concerned it will be an issue this season as we likely won’t have 17 shots per game in the premier league and if our conversion rate stays the same we will struggle for goals
 
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blonogasoven said:
I'm still reading this 'we need a goal scorer' theme.
We cannot know how many chances we'll get in the Prem. We can only judge on last season when we won by 10 clear points, only one team scored more than us and they didn't get promoted.
The top scorers:
Mitrovic - up via play offs. Way behind us
Watkins - still in the Champ
Grabban - missed play offs
Grant - fighting relegation
Wells - nowhere

Wells had 18, Bamford had 16.

Who do you want to swap with?

I trust Bielsa so what he wants is fine with me.
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they all played in worse teams, had fewer chances than him and scored more goals

kiko Casilla played in the side with the best defensive record in the league.. happy with him for next year then?
 
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Ok, the way to judge this, if how many goals a team scores is important, is to look at last season:
Norwich - 93 goals - 2.02/game
Villa - 86 goals - 1.76/g
Sheffield Utd - 78 goals - 1.70/g

How did that work out in the Prem this season?

I am not saying that our conversion rate doesn't need to improve but if we weren't creating the chances I'd be concerned but we are.

How many times last season did we play against packed defences?
How many times did the opposition keeper get MOM?

In the Prem it will be different
 
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