The Joe Allen speculation thread

If there is a release clause Rogers would know it. So the question you should be asking is why has it not been triggered yet?

 

Because they don't want to spend £15M I'd imagine (if that's the clause).

 

preparing for the Joe's departure?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/7972073/Swans-fail-in-Davies-bid

 

better to be safe than sorry i suppose and make a few nibbles

 

so thats it then bbc say liverpool have activated £15m clause for joey,time to go back to bolton?

 

The release clause of £15m has been activated and all thats left is for the two clubs to agree a payment schedule which could be tricky but it seems pretty much done.

The 3 most reliable sources for Liverpool in Journalism are also reporting this but this is the most reliable:

Liverpool raise the stakes to trigger Allen's release clause



Tony Barrett
Published 1 minute ago

Liverpool are set to make Joe Allen their second major signing of the summer after triggering a release clause in the Wales international’s contract with Swansea City by tabling a £15 million bid.

The two clubs are now expected to hold further talks over the next 48 hours to establish a payment schedule, with Swansea bound to allow Allen to speak to Liverpool according to the terms of his contract.

Liverpool had initially offered £10 million for the 22-year-old and also gave Swansea the option of taking Jonjo Shelvey on loan next season as part of the proposed deal. That offer was rejected because of the insistence of Huw Jenkins, the Swansea chairman, that no makeweights would be acceptable and Liverpool have now returned with an offer that meets his requirements.

Allen returned to full training yesterday after his involvement in the Great Britain team at the Olympics. Michael Laudrup, the Swansea manager, will now have to decide whether to include the midfielder in his squad for Saturday’s friendly against Stuttgart in the knowledge that his departure now appears inevitable.

Should the transfer be concluded, as expected, it will mean Allen is reunited with Brendan Rodgers, his former manager at Swansea, who confirmed yesterday that Liverpool would be willing to sell Daniel Agger to Manchester City if they receive a “ridiculous offer” for the defender.

Liverpool have rejected two bids from City for the Denmark international, the second valuing Agger at about £20 million. But they are prepared to do business if their asking price is met, with Rodgers hoping to use the proceeds from any sale to reinvest in his squad.

Liverpool have made it clear to Brian Marwood, City’s chief football administration officer, that they are seeking a fee of about £27 million for Agger. That valuation may appear unrealistic given the 27-year-old’s patchy fitness record, but Liverpool regard Agger as one of Europe’s best defenders and want a fee that reflects that status.

Rodgers claimed that Paris Saint- Germain’s recent signing of Thiago Silva has established the market rate for central defenders. “Silva has left AC Milan for PSG for £40 million,” he said. “He [Agger] is one of the leading players in European football, so it is going to be a big valuation. Every player has a price and top centre halves are at a premium.”

Asked if Liverpool had received offers from City, Rodgers said: “Yes, but nowhere near the valuation of what the player is worth. You can only consider something like that if it is going to benefit you.

“Of course, you might lose a top player but if it benefits you going forward, and you can make two or three steps because of it, you may have to consider it. But we don’t want to sell him, so unless someone comes in with a ridiculous offer that makes you look at it and think you can benefit in one or two other areas, there is no way I want to lose one of my best players.

“Daniel is a top player and any manager will tell you that they don’t want to lose their best players. But I suppose at every club, every player has a price.”

Despite the uncertainty surrounding him, Agger has been named in the Liverpool squad for tonight’s Europa League qualifier against Gomel at Anfield, with Rodgers confident that he will not be distracted either by City’s interest or his own club’s willingness to sacrifice the player.

“Daniel and I have had a number of conversations so he knows where I am at, he knows where the club are at and he doesn’t want to leave which is great,” Rodgers said. “In my first conversation with Daniel at the Euros he made that quite clear. He loves the club, loves the supporters, so that was music to my ears. But we’ll see.”

Luis Suárez, who was the subject of formal interest from Juventus before signing a new contract earlier this week, will definitely start the game, with Liverpool defending a 1-0 lead from the first leg.

But Rodgers was unwilling to offer similar guarantees about Andy Carroll, other than indicating that the forward “will be in the squad”. Carroll missed last week’s first leg in Belarus with a slight groin strain amid continuing interest from Newcastle United and will also be sold if Liverpool’s £20 million asking price is met.

Tellingly, Rodgers did not mention Carroll when referring to the attacking options available to him, preferring to cite only Steven Gerrard, Fabio Borini, Stewart Downing and Suárez.

Liverpool (probable, 4-3-3): J Reina — G Johnson, M Skrtel, J Carragher, J Enrique — J Spearing, S Gerrard, C Adam — F Borini, L Suárez, S Downing.

FC Gomel (possible, 4-2-3-1): V Bushma — S Matveychyk, I Voronkov, P Kirylchik, D Klimovich — M Kashevski, S Kazeka — A Lyavitski, T Nowak, D Platonaw — A Alumona.
Television: ESPN (8.05pm kick-off).


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/...cle3502239.ece

 

well good luck joey and thanks liverpool for the 22m'bet well spend it better than them lol

 

We should have hung on to Pintado. These saps would have met Martinez' £7 m valuation,and snapped him up. ...

 

That is also true.

 

So far as I know the £15m release is notional in that it as never been stated in an official release by the Swans: a) that there is a release clause; b) that it is triggered by that amount; c) Liverpool would be one of the clubs that woud trigger it if it was constrained by club.

You also automatically presume that he wants to leave, is prepared to leave, and would leave for Liverpool - as Joe has yet to make a statement on the record on any of these points.

Nobody has yet answered the question I put umpteen pages back which is ... Why would Allen want to join a club whose manager is on the record as stating that Livepool are currently inferior to Swansea on the field and in their style of play. Or put another way, why take a step down, assume the risk of Rogers being unable to deliver, when you could stay at a better club and learn from a legend like Laudrup. Where is the value in this for Allen.

The only thing we know for abolutely certain so far is that Rogers believes that Liverpool sucks relative to us and that he needs our 22 year old to help him turn them around. When you peel away the bull**** and speculation and look at what you're actually asking the kid to do it's quite comical.

 

I say these things because I am told them by a friend of a player in our first team who Brendan likes to tell everything too.

So I know, as the media know, and even Swansea basically admitted in their statement that Allen has the EXACT clause for the 5 mentioned clubs because Rodgers is the one who helped Joe come up with that or so he is claiming.

I'm told Joe is up for it and has been from day one and the only thing left is to agree with Swansea how the £15m will be paid and over how long which could take a week at the most depending on stubborness.

All I do is pass on what I'm told as I assume you lot would be interested to know it especially when Swansea I'm told have been more willing to negotiate a deal than they have been letting on publically.

I have said in another post I trust my mate and I know the player he knows and how he knows him so I know he is being straight up as he has always been true to his words the odd times he's told me stuff in the past, Brendan isn't as closed lipped so now a little bit more slips out.

Tony Barrett, Ben Smith and Andy Hunter have all written the exact same article tonight saying the release fee has been activated. They get all their info straight from LFC and since Brendan joined from him "off the record".

If they say LFC have met the release clause, and adding on that that what I've heard from what a LFC player has been saying its fair to szay that the release clause has been met.

There isn't as much info as to whether Joe wants to go but I'd be amazed, despite maybe a last minute u turn like Gerrard did with Chelsea, that Liverpool have negotiated this deal for the last month with our CEO missing are US Tour to see the Owners to specifically work on this deal, just to get to this point and Joe says no. They will already have been told by Allen's Agent he's up for it. They may even have agreed his salary as thats how deals work nowadays. LFC must of have had encouraging noises from Joe's camp to take it as far as 3 seperate bids and then agreeing to a massive fee of £15m. You don't have to be clever to realise that.

I think its more you not believing it because you don't want to believe its true and your clutching at straws that somehow might stay all despite all the evidence from proven credible sources and Journalists who have the inside track at Liverpool to the contrary.

Its also on the BBC and they won't publish an article like that unless they are satisfied it is almost certainly factually correct.

Do you honestly, honestly believe that none of this is true? That the release clause doesn't exist? That LFC haven't bid the £15m and now have the right to speak to him? Really?

That would be comical.

I made a specific post a few weeks ago stating based on what I was told what I believed would happen with this deal and how it would pan out by the end of the window.

I will find the post when this saga is complete and see how close I got but to the best of my memory I'm right on track so far.

I can't wait to see see what you say when the move is official.

By then you will say "he only moved for the money". No, its not because Liverpool are a much bigger club and can offer him more chances of trophies and European football than Swansea can no. he'll be labelled as being a greedy traitor who turned his back on his club to chase the dollar. You wait and see.

 

He also didn't state we were 'inferior' to Swansea. Thats just something you and a few other bitter swans have decided he meant by what he said when it was obvious what he really meant.

Rodgers is a smart cookie with the words. He would NEVER be so stupid as to say that and mean it as he would know that first of all the league table doesn't lie and we were in two cup finals of which we won one so there is no basis to that claim, and secondly he knows LFC fans wouldn't be very happy with him and he is still very much in arse-kissing mode with the fans.

If you honezstly believe thats what he wanted to implied you're deluded.

 

i dont think anyone will label joe a traitor or a money grabber,of course he wants to play for one of the traditional big sides,BUT this lad is a local player his dad is even my dentist,hes a fluent welsh speaker,he opened our local swimming pool,so toela,forgive us if we are playing out his last days w.ith us,but what youve got to understand,he is andALWAYS will be one of ours.

 

totally agree with this, Allen is a Jack through and through and will be wished all the best if he decided to move, but as I've stated before, as recently as Monday - Joe isn't 100% what he wants himself yet and my source is a bit closer to Joe than a friend of a friend of a Liverpool player's dog. He may well go, and probably will but it's not as clear cut as 'rogers snapped his fingers so he must be going'.
Whatever he decides to do, it will be with best wishes from the Jack army and will always be welcome back

 

Unlike Rodgers who won't be welcome back.

Good luck to Joe if he does go, I think he's selling himself a bit short though he can do better than Liverpool.

 

I still don't think he'll go.

All this talk of his wanting to join up with Buck again, really? Joe is a Jack through and through. What Buck has recently done with the Siggy saga, the "agreement" etc, has pissed off many a Jack, do we not think tht, as Joe is a Jack, this has pissed him off too?

I think Joe can do better han Liverpool. There is no denying that they are a big club. But, at this moment in time, they are struggling, they are adapting to a completely new style of play, and they have a manager that only managed a team(s) for 2 1/2 season. Should he fail, which I expect he will, Allen knows that he will be thrown on the scrap pile becuse the only reason he's being bi on is because Brendan loves Swansea players.

Heard it here first. Joe Allen to TURN DOWN Liverpool.

If I'm wrong, good luck. Always will hold him in high regards, and will always be welcome back.

 

Bloody hell Ash you're in a good mood this morning mate, hope you're right and Joe is annoyed by it all. I heard he was a boyhood Man Utd fan too !

 

I've seen rumours this morning that spurs have offered 12 million plus Caulker too. That could make things interesting. Could be another siggy scenario. Now that would be 2 fingers to rogers

 

I would take £12M and Caulker in a heartbeat. It depends on Joe and Huw Jenkins. If Huw decides to dig his heels in over this then Joe will play for who he says. I wonder if he'll turn his phone off.

 

I can't quite believe that the Spurs deal is true as that would be a fantastic deal for us.

Could replace Joe for aprox. £5-8million and the surplus could cover the extra wages.

Sell Sinclair for the best part of £10 million and replace with a winger and a flexible forward and we'd have the best possible squad going into the season.

Ship out all the dead wood and we could even buy a young left back to challenge Taylor.
Cresswell at Ipswich is a good young player.