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Putin is trying to build himself a buffer against the Western Block by making a new Eastern block, but I think the motives are different from America's in conflicts. Putin wants to build a new Soviet Empire, America is naive and gung ho, but I also genuinely believe they want to try and make the world a better place.

I think I can somewhat illustrate my points about the Yanks in some of the middle east conflicts over the past 20 years:

Afgan- America wanted revenge on those who harboured the terrorists who massacred the civilians in 9/11, they didn't attack anyone immediately, but worked out who had done the attack and then went for them. They did well in the initial phase then not so well in the rebuild, probably because their principles got in the way. I don't think the Americans would have ever thought this way but I would have starved the Taliban of finance once militarily in charge by buying the opium off the farmers and paying more money that the Taliban.

Iraq - GW wanted to finish his father's conflict - Saddam was a tyrant but kept a lid on all the other nutjobs in Iraq. In 2020 hindsight it would have been far better to remove Saddam during the first Gulf War (With the start of the 2nd Gulf War there were WMD lies plus Saddam was playing games with the weapon inspectors time and again. In the conflict again the American's did well militarily and then dropped the ball with how to deal with it afterwards. The British kept far more structure from the regime trying to modify the existing power structure to remove those who were dodgy and promoting able experienced men who were already familiar with leading. The Americans - all Ba'ath party were removed leading to destabilisation exploiting by radical Islamics and then that spread to the British controlled areas.

Syria- Another 'strongman' Vs various rebels. This was one where neither side was a shining beacon of hope, I always said with this better the devil you know with Assad, but I think it was a genuine desire to help the populous that America got involved. Bomb something/ everything before realising hang on I'm not sure which side are the bad guys

As said in Team America (if you don't like bad language don't watch) - Team America = USA, F.A.G- EU?, Kim Jong Il- Putin:
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Any war in Ukraine will be bloody and Putin will just keep doing it if he is not stopped and regularly attack the smaller countries around him to keep them bent to his will.
Good post. It's difficult to know what to do with Putin, going to war with Russia would be devastating, and with the threat of nuclear war. But I really don't think he will stop with Ukraine, the only thing that could work is if we starve them of money, but now he has got close to China.
 
After liberating Libya from Gaddafi they have open slave markets and as warned Europe is being flooded by displaced Africans .


There were no Afghanis or Iraqis on the hijacked planes on 911 they were pretty much all from Saudi Arabia .

Bin Laden was snared In Pakistan and plopped into the sea out of respect.

Absolute pantomime.

ALL of America's military interventions including Vietnam have all been a total disaster for the World.
 
Putin basically threatening with nuclear weapons if anyone intervene. So basically he can invade any country he wishes, without cause, and there's not really much anyone can do about it.
 
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After liberating Libya from Gaddafi they have open slave markets and as warned Europe is being flooded by displaced Africans .


There were no Afghanis or Iraqis on the hijacked planes on 911 they were pretty much all from Saudi Arabia .

Bin Laden was snared In Pakistan and plopped into the sea out of respect.

Absolute pantomime.

ALL of America's military interventions including Vietnam have all been a total disaster for the World.


In general, for once I agree with you. There's also their record in Central and South America, including deliberately helping a fascist coup against a democratically elected government in Chile. America seems to swing between isolationism and interventionism and I think the former is generally better for the world.
 
Well at least we have moved on from hating the Serbian tennis player and demonising people with less than 3 vaccines.


Now anyone that doesn't put a little flag under their Twitter avatar is somehow a Putin puppet or some other catchy insult.

I'll tune in next week to see who BBC news wants me to hate , much better than thinking for myself.
 
Well at least we have moved on from hating the Serbian tennis player and demonising people with less than 3 vaccines.


Now anyone that doesn't put a little flag under their Twitter avatar is somehow a Putin puppet or some other catchy insult.

I'll tune in next week to see who BBC news wants me to hate , much better than thinking for myself.
So in your opinion all the news coming out of Ukraine is propoganda generated by BBC.
With 99.9999999999999999999% of the population with Ukraine on this, we must all be out of step, bar you.
I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be with you in the trenches
 
So in your opinion all the news coming out of Ukraine is propoganda generated by BBC.
With 99.9999999999999999999% of the population with Ukraine on this, we must all be out of step, bar you.
I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be with you in the trenches
No you said that .

The BBC told you to hate the Serbian tennis player and people that don't want a never ending series of injections a few weeks ago until Boris got caught out flouting his own rules .

Nobody is panicking about covid anymore the Government behavioural psychologists have stopped pumping out daily fear porn on BBC news.

Just do a little research into Ukraine the BBC pushes one narrative and convinces people like yourself that Russian man bad and anyone that doesn't agree with you is the enemy .

You aren't in a trench fighting a war get a grip mate.

No idea why you decided to derail the match thread with your bizzare insults and protests, you even managed to convince yourself that I'm some sort of pro Russia pro Putin person .

I don't care what views you hold it's not my business , I may not agree with you but I wouldn't denigrate you for thinking differently.

You however are happy to turn on people and call them names because you spent too long watching the news and got yourself all wound up .

If you keep posting snide weird digs on the MDT about bloody Putin them I'll just pop cou back on ignore .
I don't have anything against you I just can't be bothered with your nonsense and I doubt anyone else wants to read about Ukraine on a thread about our game with Southampton.

Go and stand outside the Norwich Town Hall with your Ukraine flag or something more constructive.
 
Battle for Kiev tonight, I wonder how long it will hold out? At least the men in Ukraine are fighting rather than running off like the Afghan army.

By the way I've disliked Djokovic for years due to his arrogance, thus proved by his lying to try and get into Australia to play tennis. Even if he didn't want the jabs if he had have submitted to 2 weeks quarantine like everybody else he would have been let in.

I think Duncan and Robbie are somewhat cut from the same cloth at times, enjoy being contrary just for the sake of it, but at different times and on different topics.

This one is interesting about some of the false images circling social media (I tend to avoid social media like the plague) https://www.bbc.com/news/60513452
 
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Battle for Kiev tonight, I wonder how long it will hold out? At least the men in Ukraine are fighting rather than running off like the Afghan army.

By the way I've disliked Djokovic for years due to his arrogance, thus proved by his lying to try and get into Australia to play tennis. Even if he didn't want the jabs if he had have submitted to 2 weeks quarantine like everybody else he would have been let in.

I think Duncan and Robbie are somewhat cut from the same cloth at times, enjoy being contrary just for the sake of it


I don't think people should be forced into getting a never ending series of injections that don't stop you catching or spreading a virus to fly or do your job .

I also don't believe America was right to keep overthrowing countries and forcing regime change .

That doesn't make me an antivaxxer or Putin puppet.

This binary thinking is pathetic.
 
Battle for Kiev tonight, I wonder how long it will hold out? At least the men in Ukraine are fighting rather than running off like the Afghan army.

By the way I've disliked Djokovic for years due to his arrogance, thus proved by his lying to try and get into Australia to play tennis. Even if he didn't want the jabs if he had have submitted to 2 weeks quarantine like everybody else he would have been let in.

I think Duncan and Robbie are somewhat cut from the same cloth at times, enjoy being contrary just for the sake of it, but at different times and on different topics.

This one is interesting about some of the false images circling social media (I tend to avoid social media like the plague) https://www.bbc.com/news/60513452
It's not really worth engaging with him, not worth the hassle.

Ukraine is fighting for democracy, and for their home, so I hope they win for their freedom, but with Russians army, it's hard to see how. Although, it was nice to see Russian civilisations out in their thousands protesting against Putin, when they know that will mean imprisonment.

But Putin won't stop until he restores the Soviet Union, so that means after Ukraine, other Countries will be at risk. But with a 'misfire' missile landing in Turkey, I wonder if Putin is trying to provoke a World War, all he has to do is provoke Nato.
 
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Talking of getting facts correct.
Norwich has City Hall, not a Town Hall, fact.
It's you who has hijacked the Match thread, fact.
I have family who live in Lviv, and in contact every day with them, fact.

You have dug a hole, and are now trying to
appease yourself by posting Pro Ukraine rhetoric.
Your rewriting of the Saints Match Day is
pathetic and does you no favours.
Your comments on another thread "Ukraine is a piss poor ****hole" are based on what?
Have you ever travelled to Ukraine or communicate with any Ukrainian?
If you had, you would be aware that the country is certainly in a poor state, due to the Soviet Union, but the people are amongst the most generous and genuine people I have ever met.
They are hardworking, and have done nothing to warrant this attack by Putin.

I have just heard from my family in Ukraine, and they are preparing to leave to Poland.
 
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It's not really worth engaging with him, not worth the hassle.

Ukraine is fighting for democracy, and for their home, so I hope they win for their freedom, but with Russians army, it's hard to see how. Although, it was nice to see Russian civilisations out in their thousands protesting against Putin, when they know that will mean imprisonment.

But Putin won't stop until he restores the Soviet Union, so that means after Ukraine, other Countries will be at risk. But with a 'misfire' missile landing in Turkey, I wonder if Putin is trying to provoke a World War, all he has to do is provoke Nato.
Can you quote where I have posted anything remotely praising Russia or Putin ?
 
Talking of getting facts correct.
Norwich has City Hall, not a Town Hall, fact.
It's you who has hijacked the Match thread, fact.
I have family who live in Lviv, and in contact every day with them, fact.

You have dug a hole, and are now trying to
appease yourself by posting Pro Ukraine rhetoric.
Your rewriting of the Saints Match Day is
pathetic and does you no favours.
Your comments on another thread "Ukraine is a piss poor ****hole" are based on what?
Have you ever travelled to Ukraine or communicate with any Ukrainian?
If you had, you would be aware that the country is certainly in a poor state, due to the Soviet Union, but the people are amongst the most generous and genuine people I have ever met.
They are hardworking, and have done nothing to warrant this attack by Putin.

I have just heard from my family in Ukraine, and they are preparing to leave to Poland.
Perhaps it would have been better for you to post on the thread where I called Ukraine a piss poor **** hole than just derail the match day thread calling me a Putin puppet.

Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe .

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/poorest-countries-in-europe
 
Well, is it a "piss poor **** hole"?
Glad to see you had a change of direction and reinstated the Saints Match Day Thread, and your Avatar <cheers>
It is very poor and I doubt the living conditions are great there .

I'm allowed to hold that view even If it offends you .
Great Yarmouth is also a **** hole .

You could have just mischaracterized me as a Putin puppet on here rather than the match day thread .

Just seemed like you wanted to create pointless bickering and ruin that thread .

The only other input was someone getting excited because I originally hilariously put 26th instead of 25th on the title and everyone praising you for your Avatar change rather than discussing the game. The thread became a bit pointless.

I very rarely start any threads and I certainly won't bother in the future .

It's not fun anymore.