The EU debate - Part III

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Treble said:
Very acute point made on Newsnight. The need for a parliamentary vote is a long established element of our constitution.

Brexiteers driving aim was allegedly to pass the decision making of this country back to our parliament. And now, when we have a situation where the decision making is passed back to our parliament, they're against it <laugh> Love irony.
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The guy from the Mail is particularly odious.
 
swanseaandproud said:
I would not bank on it...May does not want to take that chance that's for sure...she have seen bye elections where labour have won by an increased majority already....I would not underestimate the Labour party if i were you....[/QUOTE

In certain places, maybe. Is Corbyn and his agenda saleable to the general electorate of the UK?

IMO, no chance. That's why I think the time is ideal for that very significant element in his party who disagree with Corbyn and his 1970's view of the world to break away and form a centre left party.

They may well even be joined by disaffected Tories who have had enough of Fox, Davis, and those like them.
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steveninaster1 said:
The guy from the Mail is particularly odious.
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He really is. He was totally flummoxed by the question of why it was relevant to report that one judge was married to a man but not to report that the other two were married to women. His response was pretty much "the people need to know".
 
I think PNP made the point earlier, but hasn't it got to the point where certain elements of the U.K. press need reining in?

I realise that they'll scream suppression of freedom of the press, etc. But their rabble rousing headlines and highly inflammatory and selective opinions are creating a danger of real problems. Just look at the death threats being hurled around by the moron brigade today.

If they can't discharge their responsibilities to not deliberately incite the likes of today's events, then they should have that freedom taken away until they can.
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
I think PNP made the point earlier, but hasn't it got to the point where certain elements of the U.K. press need reining in?

I realise that they'll scream suppression of freedom of the press, etc. But their rabble rousing headlines and highly inflammatory and selective opinions are creating a danger of real problems. Just look at the death threats being hurled around by the moron brigade today.

If they can't discharge their responsibilities to not deliberately incite the likes of today's events, then they should have that freedom taken away until they can.
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In both brexit and the US election coverage of both sides, the media have disgraced themselves and will be tainted for a long time.

A scan of independent sites for news items, with a check for accuracy, and then comparing it to coverage on main stream media shows the true scale of the bias.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
In both brexit and the US election coverage of both sides, the media have disgraced themselves and will be tainted for a long time.

A scan of independent sites for news items, with a check for accuracy, and then comparing it to coverage on main stream media shows the true scale of the bias.
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When you realise that the chair of the main press complaint body is Paul Dacre then it becomes clear how they get away with it.
https://www.ipso.co.uk/
http://hackinginquiry.org/comment/the-men-behind-ipso-part-2-paul-dacre/
 
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swanseaandproud said:
It is not about Hard Brexit or soft Brexit or in between Brexit.....It is all about ...What the hell is Brexit and what does it mean for the average family and business and jobs etc etc...We cant let the PM make a decision on behalf of the country if we dont know what it means. That in its entirely is not democratic is it....If you believe in democracy then you have to agree....
As for the labour party then May would hate to have an election now as the Labour party is the fastest on record of increasing its membership...
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The Labour Party is "the fastest on record of increasing its membership" and the fastest on record of losing voters.
 
swanseaandproud said:
I would not bank on it...May does not want to take that chance that's for sure...she have seen bye elections where labour have won by an increased majority already....I would not underestimate the Labour party if i were you....
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Nobody is underestimating the Labour Party. The voters certainly think they are useless.
 
swanseaandproud said:
The fastest growing party in the UK and still growing.......We had Corbyn down here where i live and the hall that held 300 people was sold out in i couple of hours with a reported thousands that could not get in....so i would not make such a bold statement that he is unelectable as it is far from the truth....you are listening to the Tories and the Blairites far to much....Corbyn has shaken up politics and millions like what he is about......He beat his labour colleagues hands down to become leader and he had to go all through it again and he increased his vote, so underestimate him at your peril...
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Join the Labour Party now! Membership going cheap while MPs last. Get your own "I am a loony" badge.
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
I'd disagree also, Steven, I think that's feedback from Gvt lawyers who have an axe to grind.

The High Court decision was totally unequivocal. Unless something is dramatically changed, I can't see the Supreme Court overturning it.

Additionally, May is making herself look dictatorial and dogmatic in trying to pursue this.

Why, doesn't she, or won't she agree to put this in front of parliament? Afraid of something?...
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May has been consistent in her comments around not "showing her hand", maybe she (and her advisors) think that if parliament cannot agree on the terms for exit, then it weakens any argument when dealing with Europe.
 
pieguts said:
May has been consistent in her comments around not "showing her hand", maybe she (and her advisors) think that if parliament cannot agree on the terms for exit, then it weakens any argument when dealing with Europe.
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I think Steven was right when he said that she's definitely trying to avoid having to put the whole thing in front of parliament before article 50.. She wants to present it as a fait accompli when there's no time left and no choice but to accept or leave the EU with no agreement in place.

She leads a badly divided party and is desperately trying to keep both camps happy.

I sincerely hope, and expect that her appeal to The Supreme Court will be thrown out. In which case we will almost certainly get a far more sensible (sorry Tubby!) Brexit. Not the loony version that the likes of Fox, Davis, Redwood, etc are trying to force through.
 
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