The EU debate - Part III

Problem is their one member one vote system. The £3 - now £20 members are perpetuating Corbyn's leadership, and look like doing so unless the more moderate element can get their act together.

They need to Get a vote of no confidence, and then garner enough support to defeat Corbyn and his far left and anarchist supporters at a party leadership election.

 

You bet she's afraid of something. She's afraid of having her hands tied and the three brexiteers muzzled.

It's clear to me she wants to present the Brexit negotiations to parliament as a fait accompli so they have to accept it and therefore she can't lose the vote.

She will do everything she can to achieve this. Which is why I feel they will look for a way in which A50 is not interpreted as removing legislation without parliament approval. To assume otherwise is really just counting chickens before they are hatched.

For May a successful Brexit isn't about getting the best deal for the country, it's about being seen as a strong leader as far as I see it.

 

Is a new/breakaway centrist left party a viable option or has Blair tainted that image too far?

 

I think it is. Or at least a new centrist party

 

I'm clearly not a lawyer. But I think she's going to find it difficult to disguise her intent to the extent it will be accepted by the Supreme Court.

In my view, her, and the three Brexiteers hard Brexit is a dead duck. It's unacceptable to her own party, let alone the opposition parties.

 

Aye, I edited my reply to add the Blair impact of a perceived Labour to the right party,

I think there's certainly an opportunity for an alternative that can show they'll listen to people.

 

I think it's a very viable option, and highly electable if presented and run well with palatable policies. Sort of like what the Lib-Dems should have been, but far better organised.

The British electorate, in general, is moderate. When it comes to elections they tend to vote for the uncontrovesial option. Extremists of either wing never gain general acceptance.

 

An admission that hard Brexit is no longer on the table could fracture the tories. A significant number would see it as a betrayal.

 

She only has a slim majority. Any revolt by the significant pro EU element in her party would see her defeated.

If she tries to push through a Brexit that reflects the ideas and plans of loons like Fox and Davis, I think that's a highly likely scenario.

 

wrong again it was reported that it was the quickest decision they have ever made in these sort of problems....and the supreme court will probably be quicker still....

 

Which is why her best option is to come to parliament at the end of 2 years and say if you don't vote for this then we leave the EU with no deal in place. It's just my interpretation, but it's the only route I can see where her MPS don't get the chance to rebel and she comes out of it appearing in control.

 

The Lords could keep kicking the bill around for 2 years if that is their want

Hence the reason the Tories have openly talked about doing a Lloyd George recently, as the Lords is heavily Labour weighted

 

That sounds like blatant blackmail. And a transparent blackmail that those who oppose the plans of the the three Brexiteers, that she seems to be adopting, will see through very quickly.

I think that route will turn into a dead end street.

 

It is not about Hard Brexit or soft Brexit or in between Brexit.....It is all about ...What the hell is Brexit and what does it mean for the average family and business and jobs etc etc...We cant let the PM make a decision on behalf of the country if we dont know what it means. That in its entirely is not democratic is it....If you believe in democracy then you have to agree....
As for the labour party then May would hate to have an election now as the Labour party is the fastest on record of increasing its membership...

 

May would have little problem winning a GE, IMO.

Corbyn, Abbot, and their ilk are completely unelectable.

 

When Corbyn came to the fore, he gained a degree of support because he didn't seem to be like the other leaders. Time has shown, irrespective of his politics, he's not a statesman or a leader.

 

I would not bank on it...May does not want to take that chance that's for sure...she have seen bye elections where labour have won by an increased majority already....I would not underestimate the Labour party if i were you....

 

Which one?

 

The fastest growing party in the UK and still growing.......We had Corbyn down here where i live and the hall that held 300 people was sold out in i couple of hours with a reported thousands that could not get in....so i would not make such a bold statement that he is unelectable as it is far from the truth....you are listening to the Tories and the Blairites far to much....Corbyn has shaken up politics and millions like what he is about......He beat his labour colleagues hands down to become leader and he had to go all through it again and he increased his vote, so underestimate him at your peril...

 

Very acute point made on Newsnight. The need for a parliamentary vote is a long established element of our constitution.

Brexiteers driving aim was allegedly to pass the decision making of this country back to our parliament. And now, when we have a situation where the decision making is passed back to our parliament, they're against it Love irony.