The EU debate - Part III

[PleaseNotPoll]

Nah, it's a **** diversion and irrelevant. Rather than waste time on such a ridiculous argument, I'll just say you're absolutely right, the Scots have no influence on the UK and will leave given half the chance. How's that?

So your point about a remain vote now has no legs. Great. Glad we agree.

 

[DMD]

So your point about a remain vote now has no legs. Great. Glad we agree.

I didn't think you could get any more ridiculous. Well done.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I didn't think you could get any more ridiculous. Well done.

And this is why we need evidence-based politics, rather than the current nonsense.
Far too many people just assume a ton of stuff for no reason and are easily influenced by tossers like Farage.

 

[DMD]

And this is why we need evidence-based politics, rather than the current nonsense.
Far too many people just assume a ton of stuff for no reason and are easily influenced by tossers like Farage.

Politicians amuse me, but I can't think of any that I've been influenced by. I don't think Politics will be the driver for the major actions on the EU anyway.

How's Camerons threats to world peace coming along?

 

[NSIS]

It's interesting to see you dismissing the views of experts in your field. It looks more like you're arguing a username rather than a point.

Pal, I'm busy. I read the gist of your 'argument' and the response.

Maybe I am arguing a username to an extent, as most of what you post has little or no foundation in fact or truth...

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

How is it a fact that a Remain vote would have dragged us into some sort of European superstate?

A narrow Remain vote wouldn't give any more of a green light to do that than a narrow Leave vote would give an excuse to pander to a small number of xenophobes from crap parts of the North and push for a hard Brexit. Oh...

 

[swanseaandproud]

Why would anyone who dont a a few million in the bank want to leave the EU and the safety and protection it offers everyone to end up Paying a lot more for goods, ,holidays, food clothing and freedom to travel all over Europe, Why would working people and people with young children would ever want their standard of living to drop because drop it will if we try to go it alone without the single market....The £ is already at an all time low which is great for the high flyers in our society but is very bad in your pay packets as you are not getting the value you have worked for and your £ will not buy the same things you could have before the referendum....why would people vote to come out if you lose the ability of freedom and a standard of living that you are use too and we are not even close to leaving the EU....yet.....It dont make any sense at all and if we do leave the EU with everything it offers then what we now pay for things with our lowest value of our £ today is nothing to what you will pay and what your salaries will be worth outside of the EU......

 

[DMD]

How is it a fact that a Remain vote would have dragged us into some sort of European superstate?

A narrow Remain vote wouldn't give any more of a green light to do that than a narrow Leave vote would give an excuse to pander to a small number of xenophobes from crap parts of the North and push for a hard Brexit. Oh...

A narrow vote or a landslide are, from an EU perspective, of little difference as the vote would bet on remain with no realistic prospect of changing it.

A remain vote favours xenophobia more than a leave vote does.

 

[DMD]

Why would anyone who dont a a few million in the bank want to leave the EU and the safety and protection it offers everyone to end up Paying a lot more for goods, ,holidays, food clothing and freedom to travel all over Europe, Why would working people and people with young children would ever want their standard of living to drop because drop it will if we try to go it alone without the single market....The £ is already at an all time low which is great for the high flyers in our society but is very bad in your pay packets as you are not getting the value you have worked for and your £ will not buy the same things you could have before the referendum....why would people vote to come out if you lose the ability of freedom and a standard of living that you are use too and we are not even close to leaving the EU....yet.....It dont make any sense at all and if we do leave the EU with everything it offers then what we now pay for things with our lowest value of our £ today is nothing to what you will pay and what your salaries will be worth outside of the EU......

Because some don't see life in the EU as the shangri-la you try to paint. The EU have cost a fair few their jobs and impacted negatively on communities.

 

[NSIS]

A narrow vote or a landslide are, from an EU perspective, of little difference as the vote would bet on remain with no realistic prospect of changing it.

A remain vote favours xenophobia more than a leave vote does.

Congratulations!

Just when I thought your posts couldn't possibly get any more idiotic, you post this tripe and prove me wrong!...

 

[Tobes]

Why would anyone who dont a a few million in the bank want to leave the EU and the safety and protection it offers everyone to end up Paying a lot more for goods, ,holidays, food clothing and freedom to travel all over Europe, Why would working people and people with young children would ever want their standard of living to drop because drop it will if we try to go it alone without the single market....The £ is already at an all time low which is great for the high flyers in our society but is very bad in your pay packets as you are not getting the value you have worked for and your £ will not buy the same things you could have before the referendum....why would people vote to come out if you lose the ability of freedom and a standard of living that you are use too and we are not even close to leaving the EU....yet.....It dont make any sense at all and if we do leave the EU with everything it offers then what we now pay for things with our lowest value of our £ today is nothing to what you will pay and what your salaries will be worth outside of the EU......

Romanians, stupidity and complete disengagement from the fiscal realities of life

 

[Tobes]

The SNP make noises, but polls show that there's no real support for leaving the UK. Our relationship with the jocks is nothing like the EU, they're better represented and have more influence in Parliament for one.

Had we voted remain, it wouldn't have been to stay in the system as it was and would be a green light for changes.

One of the reasons that the Scots elected to stay as part of the Union was the loss of their EU status and the potential long haul path for them to gain entry post the break up. They heavily voted to stay in the referendum to boot, to suggest that the loss of our EU membership wouldn't potentially tip the balance in the favour of independence was it re- run, is showing your compete ignorance

 

[NSIS]

One of the reasons that the Scots elected to stay as part of the Union was the loss of their EU status and the potential long haul path for them to gain entry post the break up. They heavily voted to stay in the referendum to boot, to suggest that the loss of our EU membership wouldn't potentially tip the balance in the favour of independence was it re- run, is showing your compete ignorance

If the EU promised the sweaties membership, they'd be off like a shotL...

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

A narrow vote or a landslide are, from an EU perspective, of little difference as the vote would bet on remain with no realistic prospect of changing it.

A remain vote favours xenophobia more than a leave vote does.

I still see no reason why it's a fact we'd become any more at one with the EU than we are (were). It just sounds like your opinion- one I can't say I've seen much of elsewhere.

As for your second paragraph, I'm genuinely intrigued how you've come to that conclusion.

 

[Stan]

A narrow vote or a landslide are, from an EU perspective, of little difference as the vote would bet on remain with no realistic prospect of changing it.

A remain vote favours xenophobia more than a leave vote does.

That would explain the rise in hate crimes since Remain won the referendum. Hang on....

 

[Tobes]

I still see no reason why it's a fact we'd become any more at one with the EU than we are (were). It just sounds like your opinion- one I can't say I've seen much of elsewhere.

As for your second paragraph, I'm genuinely intrigued how you've come to that conclusion.

We've been here before with him

He concluded that the Remain vote was the more racist (stop laughing at the back) because it'd mean that we'd import more labour from non white countries post the exit from the EU, and therefore voting for Remain meant you'd fancy seeing less dark faces in the future.

it was all part of his ridiculous denial that a decent part of the leave vote was based on xenophobia and outright racism

 

[DMD]

One of the reasons that the Scots elected to stay as part of the Union was the loss of their EU status and the potential long haul path for them to gain entry post the break up. They heavily voted to stay in the referendum to boot, to suggest that the loss of our EU membership wouldn't potentially tip the balance in the favour of independence was it re- run, is showing your compete ignorance

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/07/30/brexit-fails-boost-support-scottish-independence/

One month after the UK's shock decision to leave the EU, the latest YouGov research in Scotland shows no real shift towards independence. Were another Scottish referendum to be held tomorrow, Scots would vote to remain in the UK by 53% to 47%. The results represent a move to the independence option of just 1% since YouGov last asked the question in early May.

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Even the guarantee of an independent Scotland being able to remain in the EU doesn't move public opinion in favour of independence.

 

[DMD]

We've been here before with him

He concluded that the Remain vote was the more racist (stop laughing at the back) because it'd mean that we'd import more labour from non white countries post the exit from the EU, and therefore voting for Remain meant you'd fancy seeing less dark faces in the future.

it was all part of his ridiculous denial that a decent part of the leave vote was based on xenophobia and outright racism

No he didn't.

 

[Tobes]

No he didn't.

Oh yes you ****ing did

 

[DMD]

I still see no reason why it's a fact we'd become any more at one with the EU than we are (were). It just sounds like your opinion- one I can't say I've seen much of elsewhere.

As for your second paragraph, I'm genuinely intrigued how you've come to that conclusion.

None EU citizens currently lose out when it comes to immigration to the UK. It's why a fair percentage of UK citizens with a commonwealth heritage voted to leave. As there are more countries outside the EU than in, Xenophobes would prefer a UK in the EU than out.