The EU debate - Part III

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Custard the controller said:
You mean they speak Polish or Romanian, lost of guests often speak Chinese, Russian or Arabic. Then you try and understand them can be quite hard.





Thats the problem, but getting cheap labour that we tax payers subsided it, its not acceptable, it needs to change. You cant keep bringing in people when we cant cope with what we have.
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Quite simply, Kustard, some English people struggle with their native language, let alone a foreign one.

You're obsessed with Poles and Romanians. Those working in the hospitality industry and more liable to need to speak French, German, Spanish, Cantonese.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
True, but that's the real world.

Many of these businesses work on very fine margins. Admittedly, some are just greedy. Those on the margins can't afford to pay more. It's easy to say 'let 'em go to the wall' but what happens to all those who lose their job?

You see it here in Spain. Even now, you'll see fields littered with oranges. Illegals, mostly Morrocans used to pick them. But a clamp down meant that the farmers had to pay legal Spanish or European workers. It doesn't make financial sense for them, so the oranges are left to rot.
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I travelled round France a lot in the 80s, picking fruit. All the unemployed Spaniards back then were in France, picking peaches and cherries for the French farmers who, thanks in part to the CAP, could afford to pay a decent rate. Meanwhile the Spanish farmers paid their own seasonal workers a pittance. Those where exactly the sort of anomolies the EU was supposed to address.

Incidentally, I also spent a summer picking apples in Kent. Those English farms were the worst payers of the lot. And the farmers themselves were mostly large scale and pretty wealthy.

The point is, France found a way to pay their seasonal workers a fair days pay, while preserving small farms and their rural traditions. No peaches rotted on the trees. Solutions are always possible if the will exists to find them.
 
Archers Road said:
I travelled round France a lot in the 80s, picking fruit. All the unemployed Spaniards back then were in France, picking peaches and cherries for the French farmers who, thanks in part to the CAP, could afford to pay a decent rate. Meanwhile the Spanish farmers paid their own seasonal workers a pittance. Those where exactly the sort of anomolies the EU was supposed to address.

Incidentally, I also spent a summer picking apples in Kent. Those English farms were the worst payers of the lot. And the farmers themselves were mostly large scale and pretty wealthy.

The point is, France found a way to pay their seasonal workers a fair days pay, while preserving small farms and their rural traditions. No peaches rotted on the trees. Solutions are always possible if the will exists to find them.
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Oranges are so cheap here this time of year they virtually give them away. €1 for 3kgs in the market. You'd probably get them cheaper if you haggle. How a farmer is making any profit at those prices, I don't know. The only answer I can see, is for a lot of farmers to stop growing them...
 
Watford_R said:
The irony.

Yes, Kustard, it depends what your priority is. If you're happy to risk the economy in order to keep the nasty foreigners out then good for you. Personally I think we are better off with the positives and negatives that EU immigration brings.

As with this myth of yours that the unemployed can just flow effortlessly into the jobs currently done by migrants, where are these hundreds of thousands of unemployed Brits capable of building roads, hospitals and schools?
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Plenty of builders etc seeking work, who are undercut from cheap foreign labour.
I would rather pay more to build a hospital with quality British labour than cheap foreign labour.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Oranges are so cheap here this time of year they virtually give them away. €1 for 3kgs in the market. You'd probably get them cheaper if you haggle. How a farmer is making any profit at those prices, I don't know. The only answer I can see, is for a lot of farmers to stop growing them...
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One thing about France; the food ain't cheap. But I don't see why food should be cheap really.

The race to the bottom in prices benefits no one in the end, certainly not the consumer who usually is also an employee or a producer.
 
All,

I've only ever posted twice on this entire forum, I think, but the merriment of this festive season has drawn me to post again.

I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to the 3x threads as you have all got me through many a tiresome afternoon.

The abuse and complete lack of understanding by some people has been riotous to read.

Merry ****ing Christmas to you all.
You bunch of obnoxious, racist, petty, discourteous, mis-informed, xenophobic, prejudiced, intolerant ****tards!

;)
 
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JustAManc said:
All,

I've only ever posted twice on this entire forum, I think, but the merriment of this festive season has drawn me to post again.

I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to the 3x threads as you have all got me through many a tiresome afternoon.

The abuse and complete lack of understanding by some people has been riotous to read.

Merry ****ing Christmas to you all.
You bunch of obnoxious, racist, petty, discourteous, mis-informed, xenophobic, prejudiced, intolerant ****tards!

;)
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<laugh> And a merry ****ing Christmas to you too. Ya ****.
 
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JustAManc said:
All,

I've only ever posted twice on this entire forum, I think, but the merriment of this festive season has drawn me to post again.

I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to the 3x threads as you have all got me through many a tiresome afternoon.

The abuse and complete lack of understanding by some people has been riotous to read.

Merry ****ing Christmas to you all.
You bunch of obnoxious, racist, petty, discourteous, mis-informed, xenophobic, prejudiced, intolerant ****tards!

;)
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To be fair, one or two of the comments from leave voters have been bad too.
 
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