The EU debate - Part III

Pissed?

 

Nope

 

This shows just how difficult May can find it to effectively cut immigration.

It seems we rely far more on Johnny Foreigner than Nige &a co would have you believe...

http://news.sky.com/story/hospitality-industry-demands-100000-brexit-work-permits-a-year-10705581

 

Tobes, you truly are a hypocritical prick of the highest order. After all that moralising about insulting 'non combatants' and how ****ish it was to mention someone's wife in our posts.....

I wish disease and death on you and all you hold dear. How's that fit into your rule book you worthless, stumpy pissant?

Merry Christmas & hopefully your last

 

Or they get Brits to do the jobs and pay them a decent wage

 

Problem is, Kustard, that these companies either don't want, or can't afford to pay what you'd call 'decent wages'. That's why they employ foreigners.

 

Thats the problem, why should the gov give into its demands if they dont pay a living wage, all it means is we pick up the tab for tax benefits, unless they stop them from claiming for 5 years or so.

 

If they're working foreigners, they can't claim.

Like it or not, some of these companies can't or won't pay more!...

 

According to that article there are circa 675,000 migrants just from the EU in the hospitality industry and 65% of the total in London. That's a lot of idle Brits you'd have to find and train up.

What is a decent wage? If wages go up, costs go up. Those who were a few quid an hour above those who have just had a wage rise also want a wage rise and theoretically everyone wants one.

 

I forgot to mention the problem of language also.
Many of these foreign workers speak 2/3 languages, including English. Which is indespensible in the hospitality industry.

No multi lingual Brit is going to work for the same wages they pay the foreign workers...

 

I never mentioned 'non combatants', I said there was a reason why NSIS was sensitive about the mention of his wife, so get it right you hideous piece of ****.

As for my post, go read what that thick racist prick was posting about me in recent days, something you've just mirrored btw.

You're a truly ugly human being, a bitter and twisted loser, who isn't worth the steam off my piss.

Enjoy your Christmas with that behemoth you married, I hope you choke on the ****e she dishes up on Christmas Day.

 

You mean they speak Polish or Romanian, lost of guests often speak Chinese, Russian or Arabic. Then you try and understand them can be quite hard.

Thats the problem, but getting cheap labour that we tax payers subsided it, its not acceptable, it needs to change. You cant keep bringing in people when we cant cope with what we have.

 

They would have to if we had decent employment legislation and functioning trade unions. Any business that claims it can't afford to pay it's employees enough to provide for their basic needs isn't really a valid business at all, and deserves to go to the wall.

I do see a real problem with our current low-wage economy, and the absence of any sense of responsibility for their employees being manifested by a lot of businesses. I just don't see blaming foreigners as the answer. Immigration is not the problem; the disgraceful exploititive business practices of firms like Amazon, JD Sports, Yodel, Uber etc is the problem.

 

Then the problem is obviously the lack of infrastructure and clearly not immigrants. If you get rid of migrant labour then these types of businesses collapse.

Immigrants pay tax too.

 

I agree with you, but until he have the infrastructure in place we are stuffed, its too many to fast

 

When as a country we had a good enough economy to greatly improve the infrastructure the government of the day decided to pander to the rich and to big business with tax cuts. Other countries spent the money on their infrastructure

 

Are you actually basing that on anything apart from Mail headlines?

Roads, hospitals, schools and houses don't get built overnight. We'll probably need a fair chunk of migrant labour to build them.

 

True, but that's the real world.

Many of these businesses work on very fine margins. Admittedly, some are just greedy. Those on the margins can't afford to pay more. It's easy to say 'let 'em go to the wall' but what happens to all those who lose their job?

You see it here in Spain. Even now, you'll see fields littered with oranges. Illegals, mostly Morrocans used to pick them. But a clamp down meant that the farmers had to pay legal Spanish or European workers. It doesn't make financial sense for them, so the oranges are left to rot.

 

We have plenty of British skilled builders than need work. Yes things take time to build, so until they are built, migration has to go very slow.

Do you ever think for yourself or do you rely on Stan and Tobes to help you out?

 

The irony.

Yes, Kustard, it depends what your priority is. If you're happy to risk the economy in order to keep the nasty foreigners out then good for you. Personally I think we are better off with the positives and negatives that EU immigration brings.

As with this myth of yours that the unemployed can just flow effortlessly into the jobs currently done by migrants, where are these hundreds of thousands of unemployed Brits capable of building roads, hospitals and schools?