The EU debate - Part III

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I'm glad you agree that it has been made difficult for 93% of the world in order to benefit the fortunate 7% in the EU.

Hopefully we can correct this divisivness once we're free of the shackles.

As was said multiple times yesterday and before, it's not going to suddenly be easier for that 93% just because it's harder for the 7%. So, no we don't agree.
 
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don't know but it would still be better to stop people from claiming benefits if they are not willing to work when they are able to work
That's what the system currently does, but they've sold off the assessment, so genuinely ill people get cut off, instead.

If you don't know how many people fit into the stereotype, then why are you operating as if you do?
Is it a significant issue? At what point does the risk of cutting off genuine claimants outweigh the payments to the lazy?
 
That's what the system currently does, but they've sold off the assessment, so genuinely ill people get cut off, instead.

If you don't know how many people fit into the stereotype, then why are you operating as if you do?
Is it a significant issue? At what point does the risk of cutting off genuine claimants outweigh the payments to the lazy?
the system currently does that does it? I dont believe it.
operating?
 
The govt could do more to force the likes of Stan the snide to get off his arse and get a job for a start.

Or swap him for an immigrant with a work ethic.
Always thinking about Stan. I get a mention in the majority of your posts! Not that you're bothered <laugh>

Have you threatened to sexually assault anyone's missus recently or has your boss kept you busy showing box flats to get the numbers up before year end?
 
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the system currently does that does it? I dont believe it.
operating?
You have to demonstrate that you're actively looking for work or you have your benefits cut.
Were you not aware of that?

Sorry, but I don't know what operating is supposed to refer to.
how can you know for sure when people deliberately hide their laziness?
I don't know. How can you?
 
Which ignores the fact that there are other parties involved in the negotiations. It's a stalling tactic.
It doesn't ignore the simple fact that there's someone on the other side of the table <doh>

What it does is set out the Govt's aims. If the aim is the control borders ahead of single market access for example. It's got **** all to do with stalling and everything to with accountability
 
You have to demonstrate that you're actively looking for work or you have your benefits cut.
Were you not aware of that?


Sorry, but I don't know what operating is supposed to refer to.

I don't know. How can you?
Are you suggesting that our system is adequate enough to prevent false claims?

Are you suggesting false claimants are not costing the taxpayer a significant amount of money each year?

Why are you seemingly opposed to the idea that the current scrutiny process be improved upon?
 
Plenty of unemployed lazy sods that must be forced to work, benefits must be made harder to get for the lazy gits. That will do for a start, then when that is exhausted, you can allow unskilled people in, where needed on a limited work visa.
Yeah right oh.

Can you see Wayne and Waynetta wiping senior citizens arses?

The care industry would collapse without the EU migrant workers.
 
You have to demonstrate that you're actively looking for work or you have your benefits cut.
Were you not aware of that?

Sorry, but I don't know what operating is supposed to refer to.

I don't know. How can you?
you mentioned "operating"
I'm not saying I can but I would think it would make sense that the DWP people would have people and resources to do that rather than throw their hands in the air and say it's too difficult to stop paying lazy people benefits
 
Are you suggesting that our system is adequate enough to prevent false claims?
No system will prevent false claims. There is no perfect system.
Are you suggesting false claimants are not costing the taxpayer a significant amount of money each year?
What amount would you class as an insignificant amount of money?
Why are you seemingly opposed to the idea that the current scrutiny process be improved upon?
When did I say that? I specifically pointed out that there were problems with the current process.
 
I'm glad you agree that it has been made difficult for 93% of the world in order to benefit the fortunate 7% in the EU.

Hopefully we can correct this divisivness once we're free of the shackles.
Yeah the Tories want to 'correct this divisiveness' by letting virtually none of them in.

Pull up the drawbridge
 
you mentioned "operating"
I'm not saying I can but I would think it would make sense that the DWP people would have people and resources to do that rather than throw their hands in the air and say it's too difficult to stop paying lazy people benefits
Operating as in acting. The verb. To operate.

Is that what you think that the DWP do? Really?
 
Are you suggesting that our system is adequate enough to prevent false claims?

Are you suggesting false claimants are not costing the taxpayer a significant amount of money each year?

Why are you seemingly opposed to the idea that the current scrutiny process be improved upon?

I'm sure there are false claims though the scrutiny process seems good based on what's been mentioned on here.

How many false claimants are in a location where there's a job going and the employer would want them? I'd guess not many given the long term UE rate.
 
No system will prevent false claims. There is no perfect system.

What amount would you class as an insignificant amount of money?

When did I say that? I specifically pointed out that there were problems with the current process.
1. So the system has got room for improvement?
2. Was the question so difficult that all you could do was swerve it by putting out a question of your own?
3. You suggested, very clearly, that you are opposed to improving the scrutiny format as any attempt to clamp down on benefit fraud would only result in hurting innocent people.
 
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