The EU debate - Part III

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Steven is right. Scotland's fiscal budget is controlled by Westminster.

There can be no argument about that. It's a plain and simple fact!
 
Scotland is a basket case, the EU will not want them, and Spain said it would veto them
It would be funny if the rest of the UK said: "OK, have your independence" and then also vetoed Scotland's application to join the EU before the UK left. Not that it would make any difference to their chance of joining.
 
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14701901.UK_subsidy_to_Scotland_soars_after_oil_price_slump/

24 Aug 2016

SCOTLAND has suffered an “economic shock” as a result of collapsing oil prices, Nicola Sturgeon has admitted, as new figures showed the country’s record reliance on UK subsidy.

The First Minister’s opponents said the numbers had shattered the economic case for independence and called on her to rule out a second referendum.

Spending was £1200 more per head in Scotland than in the rest of the UK in 2015-16, while taxes raised per head were £400 lower, a gap of £1600.

Scottish Secretary David Mundell said the UK had protected Scottish living standards: “Scotland weathered a dramatic slump in oil revenues last year because we are part of a United Kingdom that has at its heart a system for pooling and sharing resources. The UK, not the EU, is the vital union for Scotland’s prosperity.”

Daniel Mahoney of the Centre for Policy Studies said Scotland’s finances were “precarious”.

He said: “This should concern those pushing for independence. With independence, the Scottish Government would have the burden of a high budget deficit, which would inevitably lead to a combination of fiscal instability, higher taxes and a cut in government spending.

“Scotland’s high budget deficit would also make entry into the EU even less likely – given new member states are expected to have a budget deficit of just 3 per cent of GDP.”
Well done on repeating the same story from multiple sources.

My team are currently writing software for 10 Scottish local authorities to implement next year's changes.
So far they have managed to use their budget to protect student fees, bedroom tax, benefit cap, 20% LCTRS reduction for non pensioners. Next year they are placing a 10-25% additional tax on large properties to help afford it.

A independant scotland would need to go through the austerity we have suffered over the last 6 years.
 
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It would be funny if Theresa May said: "OK, Scotland can have another referendum". The SNP would be squabbling among themselves trying to find reasons to oppose the referendum!
 
It would be funny if the rest of the UK said: "OK, have your independence" and then also vetoed Scotland's application to join the EU before the UK left. Not that it would make any difference to their chance of joining.
You basically dislike everyone and everything don't you Pete <laugh>

Have you always been a bitter **** or has it grown with age (similar to your waistline)?
 
It would be funny if Theresa May said: "OK, Scotland can have another referendum". The SNP would be squabbling among themselves trying to find reasons to oppose the referendum!
Our hapless PM has bigger things to worry about than trying to call Scotland's bluff. Her party is in danger of imploding into civil war and she's become a figure of ridicule amongst the EU leaders.
 
I agree that is the case with Labour but Labour isn't seen as a serious political party any more - it's more of a protest group. I wouldn't agree with the other parties. What would you say the big changes have been with the other parties?
The Tory party under Ted Heath was massively different to that under Thatcher six years later. The first was a centrist party with a Keynesian economic policy which was very pro Europe. The latter privatised everything and had a monetarist economic policy.
 
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The Tory party under Ted Heath was massively different to that under Thatcher six years later. The first was a centrist party with a Keynesian economic policy which was very pro Europe. The latter privatised everything and had a monetarist economic policy.
I agree policies change but not parties. Heath was simply a bad leader and panicked. Gordon Brown was a bad leader, too.
I dont think somebody who was faced with Heath would switch to Wilson - unless they were right in the middle of British politics
 
Well done on repeating the same story from multiple sources.

My team are currently writing software for 10 Scottish local authorities to implement next year's changes.
So far they have managed to use their budget to protect student fees, bedroom tax, benefit cap, 20% LCTRS reduction for non pensioners. Next year they are placing a 10-25% additional tax on large properties to help afford it.

A independant scotland would need to go through the austerity we have suffered over the last 6 years.

They combine to show the Scots are currently living beyond our means so certainly beyond theirs, and wouldn't get in the EU even if people changed their minds and decided they wanted to leave the UK.
 
I agree that is the case with Labour but Labour isn't seen as a serious political party any more - it's more of a protest group. I wouldn't agree with the other parties. What would you say the big changes have been with the other parties?


The Conservatives are no longer the Conservative and Unionist part are they? After all, they just ****ed the Union. Between 1945 - 79 they were fully committed to the progressive social consensus that, for example, saw Harold MacMillan's government build more social housing than any other government in UK history. The party has moved significantly to the right since then.

The Liberal Democrats have, during my lifetime, evolved from the Liberals to the Social and Liberal Democratic party to their present incarnation, absorbing other political groups as they have done so.

Why do you continue to make such an embarrassing show of your colossal ignorance?
 
The Conservatives are no longer the Conservative and Unionist part are they? After all, they just ****ed the Union. Between 1945 - 79 they were fully committed to the progressive social consensus that, for example, saw Harold MacMillan's government build more social housing than any other government in UK history. The party has moved significantly to the right since then.

The Liberal Democrats have, during my lifetime, evolved from the Liberals to the Social and Liberal Democratic party to their present incarnation, absorbing other political groups as they have done so.

Why do you continue to make such an embarrassing show of your colossal ignorance?

Keep your whig on. :bandit:
 
They combine to show the Scots are currently living beyond our means so certainly beyond theirs, and wouldn't get in the EU even if people changed their minds and decided they wanted to leave the UK.
They are living within the means the UK government has agreed.

There is nothing basket case about that and there is no reason to think an independant scotland would retain that budget and allow itself to go under. Scotland could easily join on the same terms as Norway to ensure free movement and trade.
 
There's only like 4 people on this website you don't have on ignore Pete. You asked about changes in the conservative party and people posted them and you haven't seen the replies. Is that why they aren't worth talking to? Because they can give reasoned responses to counter your rhetoric?
 
There's only like 4 people on this website you don't have on ignore Pete. You asked about changes in the conservative party and people posted them and you haven't seen the replies. Is that why they aren't worth talking to? Because they can give reasoned responses to counter your rhetoric?
No, some are because they just get abusive at every opportunity and others because they will argue black is white
I've not found the need to put anybody on ignore on the Hull City threads nor on any other websites
 
No, some are because they just get abusive at every opportunity and others because they will argue black is white
I've not found the need to put anybody on ignore on the Hull City threads nor on any other websites
Given the standard you've applied there, I find that rather unlikely.

Googling your username, your profession and the word forum gives this as the first reply:
"Listen Peter you little prick if u even have one tenth of the brain a basic primate has u would
realise that there is a move towards integrating International Accounting Standards from current Financial Reporting Standards.

Clearly you lack any knowledge in this respect, so refrain from posting any irrelevant bullshit!"

It dates from 2004, so you've been receiving far worse abuse for over a decade, it seems.
Do they not have an ignore function?
 
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