The EU debate - Part III

Sorry, no I don't. My own beliefs are that a federal Europe was the aim (and still is by some) from the suits in Brussels. Therefore, if a blind eye is turned, to accelerate that process, then that's a price worth paying. The Brexit vote may have put a dent in that vision, but it's still there.

 

A completely accurate piece about where we currently stand in the NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/w...-the-party-just-ended.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

 

A question for the Leavers here.

Many of you have been saying that the decision had nothing to do with immigration for you.

So I assume you're all up in arms about May hijacking the result to press home Tory ideals on immigration then? Putting immigration ahead of the economy must have you fuming surely?

 

I personally think the exact opposite would have happened. We would have been told, "you voted to remain, suck it up".
Again for me, the punishing comments, demonstrate that challenging the EU is not an option either "in the club" or out of it.
I always been of the belief that we are really not considered European. We're only allowed to play by team France and team Germany because we own the ball.

 

We own the ball? How so?

 

What a load of nonsense.

Joking.

 

UKIP and the UK press have been peddling this bullshit for years, unfortunately.
Maybe if the MEPs that we sent had actually done their job and got involved, then we might not have this perception?
They decided to just take the money, employ their wives and do nothing, instead.

Any source on that Greece not qualifying for EU membership thing, by the way?

 

OK "own the ball" was not a good choice of words, maybe what I should have said is, as one of the largest financial contributors to the club, we are tolerated.

 

I think it was all about immigration for some on the thread. Some have said as much.

Pandering to idiots, mostly in non-Tory areas, is a sensible move politically. Stupid in every other way but sensible politically, I think.

 

Of course Federalism as an ideal still exists and there are those who will still continue to extol its virtues

However, there's no will for it amongst the populous in Germany, France and UK - the 3 most powerful nations - therefore it'd have never happened.

Your point was originally that a remain vote would have somehow accelerated these ideals, which is absolute bollocks imo.

 

Nope, because I can't be arsed to look for it

 

Angela Merkel will BAN EU migrants from claiming unemployment benefits for five years as her open-door policy continues to hit Germany

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-open-door-policy-continues-hit-Germany.html

So why were the UK banned form doing this?

 

Others have said it was nothing to do with immigration

I was aiming that question at them specifically

 

I respect your opinion, it's a shame that with the bollocks comments you can't respect mine.

 

Or because it's not true, perhaps?

From the article that you quoted:
"After months of negotiation, David Cameron was eventually offered an 'emergency brake' on migration which created a seven year window in which new arrivals to Britain from the EU could be denied benefits."

The UK wasn't banned from doing it. Maybe read the stuff that you're posting in future, eh?

 

Far too many strawmen being built there to be taken seriously.

Immigration and the economy were not major factors for me, which is different to what you're desperately trying to claim. The version of immigration issue some remoaners try to create is a strawman too.

May's not dealing with border controls singularly, nor in isolation.

 

You were wrong btw.

Greece cooked the books and hid the real extent of their debt level. Their books declared that their debt was under the 3% of GDP level that was the prerequisite for joining.the reality was that it was over 8%.

 

That's idiocy on May's part, if she allows herself to be railroaded by those ****ing idiots into triggering article 50 too soon.

If she does, she'll prove herself even weaker than I thought.

 

More accurately, mate, their books were cooked for them by Goldman Sachs!...