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It's different in a 1 off CL game.. stick Stoke in the CL and of course they'll do badly, but in a regular Premiership season where it's just another game it's totally different.
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It's different in a 1 off CL game.. stick Stoke in the CL and of course they'll do badly, but in a regular Premiership season where it's just another game it's totally different.
So you agree the Prem is more competitive then
Like I said earlier, of course money is part of the reason. The teams down the bottom get more money partly because our TV deal is equal for all teams. They all get X amount of the Premier Leagues tv deal and then extras for being on TV.
Barca & Madrid sell their own rights abroad to Sky.
"La Liga giants Real Madrid and Barcelona take majority of TV pot in Spain
Spain's big two sides take £204million of the total £550m pot each season"
They get nearly as much as a 2 than the other 18 teams combined.
If the money there was split out evenly then of course La Liga would be far more competitive and would rival and probably over take the Prem.
facepalm, you lose
You are wrong and it annoys the **** out of youThis just proves my point, the money is much better spread in the PL, yet La Liga teams still manages to have a better title spread than the PL. and the points gaps ect as well as games lost are very close despite the masssive disparity in money
Competitiveness in earnings is not the same as on the field. Atletico are competing despite being miles behind money wise.
Atletico's financies could be compared to who/s in the PL? Southamptons?
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I see your point but you pit Real against Leicester and see what happens or barca. The same teams would score for fun in this league.
It's not really a measure of competiive ness, and given the points spread, titles spread as well as success for also ran spanish teams, the PL being more competitive is a myth, in fact without said massive investments, it would e even less so, thanks to FSG RA the Sheik the PL has been more competitive in who can challenge at all let alone with it but the rest
Like I said, ina 1 off game yes.
But in a 1 off game you'd expect City to thrash most teams down the bottom, in fact you'd expect all the teams at the top to beat the teams at the bottom... but they don't. And that's the point, teams down the bottom of the Prem often outperform themselves, especially at home and cause upsets against the big boys.
I'm not saying Madrid wouldn't cruise our league, they probably would, but I don't suspect Ronaldo would score 50 league goals a season in the Prem because in a hypothetical world where they are just another PL team like Chelsea & City, teams would do a better defensive job.
I debunk the games lost argument, it's points, I debunk that and it's goals, I debunk that and it's money
Move the goal posts why dont you biscan
Move the goal posts why dont you biscan
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facepalm, you lose
This just proves my point, the money is much better spread in the PL, yet La Liga teams still manages to have a better title spread htan the PL.
Competitiveness in earnings is not the same as on the field. Atletico are competing despite being miles behind money wise.
Atletico's financies could be compared to who/s in the PL? Southamptons?
La Liga is a better title spread PL? **** off
La Liga is only ever competed by 2 teams with Atletico being an anomaly last year. At the start of each year, even if you include Atletico you only have 3 teams who would get close to challenging.
The Prem, at the start of the season you can easily put Chelsea, City, United & Arsenal as being able to challenge for the Prem and then an anomaly like us every now and then.
I know you're now probably going to post "number of different winners in last X yeas etc" but that still doesn't tell the whole story. Last year there were 2 teams possibly winning it on the final day, same as 2 season before when City won it on GD. Our league often has different teams at least competiting for the title at the top, where as La Liga you'll always have those 2 and now and then Atletico.
Put it this way, Madrid & Barca wouldn't drop out of top because they are so far ahead of all the others where as in the Prem you can easily say there are 6 teams who all have a decent chance of top 4 meaning any one of Arsenal/United/Chelsea/City could drop out of the top 4 each season as has been proved in previous years.
How is it? They battered us for 180 minutes without even hitting top gear. Same with Barcelona against Man City, they finished them off at the Etihad and it resulted in them not even having do anything in the game at Nou Camp.
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I debunk the games lost argument, it's points, I debunk that and it's goals, I debunk that and it's money
Move the goal posts why dont you biscan
You haven't debunked anything?
It's not about 1 set of stats, it's the whole thing put together.
2 teams dominate La Liga as shown by the fact that 1 team has challenged them in the last 10 years or so since Benitez took Valencia above them. The teams at the bottom offer no thread as proved by the amount of games they've lost/won in the last 50 played between them.
The top 2 are better than anything in the Prem, but as a whole the Prem is far more competitive throughout. Everyone knows that...
There is this need for the epl to prove it is competitive yet even in the lower tier europa English teams still struggle. The premier league looks competitive because the quality gap between the top and bottom is smaller. Ronaldo would still score 50 and so would Messi
That said quality wise technique and tactically the spanish league is way better.
That said quality wise technique and tactically the spanish league is way better.
There is parity in the top 5 in la liga (despite the huge gap in money) with the PL top 5 (but City and maybe us have grossly underperformed)
La Liga top 5 2013 2014
Games lost 33
PL top 5 2013 2014
Games lost 33
This season it's 30 PL 27 La Liga but, City and US have been dreadfully poor
I will say that the points gap between la liga 5th and 1st last season was very big, almost double what the PL gap was between 5th and first but it's worth noting that Everton were overachieving by a lot. 72 points and we admit Liverpool certainly overachieved last year, otherwise that parity that we see this season would ahve een there last season, but also Real Madrid and barca are just so good compared to any teams not just the rest of their league.
The money is a factor of course but, pound for pound La Liga teams behind the big money earners compete more per £ disparity than PL teams do
So it's not fair to compare Liverpool or Spurs to Atletico Sevilla Bilbao Villarreal because the clubs have much more money. But it is woth comparing how they compete.
In the end to prove anything here, all messing aside and wumage, you need to get your stats on, I mean statistical analysis to the nth involving all teams money ect ect, and I couldn't do it, and if I could I couldn't be arsed.
But a cursory glance at the stats show that even though there is a huge money AND quality gap between La Liga's top sides and the rest compared to the PL top sides and the rest, La Liga sides consistently do well enough per £ spent, better than PL sides, and in Europa it shows, which takes me full circle back to where this all kicked off.
But no one has proen **** here, me included.
La Liga top 5 2013 2014
Games lost 33
PL top 5 2013 2014
Games lost 33
This season it's 30 PL 27 La Liga but, City and US have been dreadfully poor
I will say that the points gap between la liga 5th and 1st last season was very big, almost double what the PL gap was between 5th and first but it's worth noting that Everton were overachieving by a lot. 72 points and we admit Liverpool certainly overachieved last year, otherwise that parity that we see this season would ahve een there last season, but also Real Madrid and barca are just so good compared to any teams not just the rest of their league.
The money is a factor of course but, pound for pound La Liga teams behind the big money earners compete more per £ disparity than PL teams do
So it's not fair to compare Liverpool or Spurs to Atletico Sevilla Bilbao Villarreal because the clubs have much more money. But it is woth comparing how they compete.
In the end to prove anything here, all messing aside and wumage, you need to get your stats on, I mean statistical analysis to the nth involving all teams money ect ect, and I couldn't do it, and if I could I couldn't be arsed.
But a cursory glance at the stats show that even though there is a huge money AND quality gap between La Liga's top sides and the rest compared to the PL top sides and the rest, La Liga sides consistently do well enough per £ spent, better than PL sides, and in Europa it shows, which takes me full circle back to where this all kicked off.
But no one has proen **** here, me included.
this all kicked off because I made a small reference to this in a post about Klopp 
No chance of getting back to that now
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There is parity in the top 5 in la liga (despite the huge gap in money) with the PL top 5 (but City and maybe us have grossly underperformed)
La Liga top 5 2013 2014
Games lost 33
PL top 5 2013 2014
Games lost 33
This season it's 30 PL 27 La Liga but, City and US have been dreadfully poor
I will say that the points gap between la liga 5th and 1st last season was very big, almost double what the PL gap was between 5th and first but it's worth noting that Everton were overachieving by a lot. 72 points and we admit Liverpool certainly overachieved last year, otherwise that parity that we see this season would ahve een there last season, but also Real Madrid and barca are just so good compared to any teams not just the rest of their league.
The money is a factor of course but, pound for pound La Liga teams behind the big money earners compete more per £ disparity than PL teams do
So it's not fair to compare Liverpool or Spurs to Atletico Sevilla Bilbao Villarreal because the clubs have much more money. But it is woth comparing how they compete.
In the end to prove anything here, all messing aside and wumage, you need to get your stats on, I mean statistical analysis to the nth involving all teams money ect ect, and I couldn't do it, and if I could I couldn't be arsed.
But a cursory glance at the stats show that even though there is a huge money AND quality gap between La Liga's top sides and the rest compared to the PL top sides and the rest, La Liga sides consistently do well enough per £ spent, better than PL sides, and in Europa it shows, which takes me full circle back to where this all kicked off.
But no one has proen **** here, me included.
The PL and English football as a whole is far more competitive. You only need to look at the FA Cup for further proof, when would you see the Spanish equivalent of Bradford knocking out the top division Leaders while the Spanish Boro beat the Spanish City away from home etc...
Upsets happen far more in England becase the lower teams are at a better quality and have far more fighting spirit when it comes to playing the big boys.
Like I said, 3 wins in 50 for La Liga bottom 5, compared to 13 wins for Prem's bottom 5
You do realise that those stats could show that the mid and upper mid tablle sides are competing better than their PL counterparts which would be a reason why the bottom sides get less points.The PL and English football as a whole is far more competitive. You only need to look at the FA Cup for further proof, when would you see the Spanish equivalent of Bradford knocking out the top division Leaders while the Spanish Boro beat the Spanish City away from home etc...
Upsets happen far more in England becase the lower teams are at a better quality and have far more fighting spirit when it comes to playing the big boys.
Like I said, 3 wins in 50 for La Liga bottom 5, compared to 13 wins for Prem's bottom 5
Just saying you can flip those stats, in fact I just did.
I started this off by saying those "middle" teams are competing better than their PL counterparts which is why you see them win more, especialy in Europe.
Spanish middle teams given they get far less than their PL counterparts money wise bring more trophies back
I remember United dismissing the EL and getting decimated home and away against Bilbao, who looked a far superior side than the PL's flagship team, Bilbao then went on to be well outclassed by another Spanish also ran Atletico in the EL final.
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PL is more competitive. But doesn't mean it's of a better quality. The fact that Man United are in the top 4, and Man City have had a poor year and dropped a million points recently but are still there.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-to-Anfield-says-manager-Brendan-Rodgers.html
I wish he'd keep his gob shut.
I wish he'd keep his gob shut.
Looks like the cry of a desperate man, the sentiments in the article are aimed at the owners as much as the supporters, his back's against the wall and he knows it
The part about bringing the correct type of player in during the summer is really because he wasted the mega money he had last year and is responsible for where we are now, he doesn't dwell on the reason we are well below the standard of last year be its down to him(and the departure of Suarez of course)
I think he knows the owners will give him at least another season and if so let's hope he's less stubborn and that he buys the best quality available with the transfer funds he's given.
Oh, and that he keeps his gob shut whether we're doing good or bad.
The part about bringing the correct type of player in during the summer is really because he wasted the mega money he had last year and is responsible for where we are now, he doesn't dwell on the reason we are well below the standard of last year be its down to him(and the departure of Suarez of course)
I think he knows the owners will give him at least another season and if so let's hope he's less stubborn and that he buys the best quality available with the transfer funds he's given.
Oh, and that he keeps his gob shut whether we're doing good or bad.
Id have to agree
To be on this theme like like now seems to be sending messages that are that should be occurring behind closed doors
This guy is worried about being called to Boston I reckon
In any event...... What I found amusing in a sick fatalistic way is his comment about looking at starting next season much faster than this but only looking once season is over
One would hope that's not actually how it's done as I felt having seen our preseason stuff that our U.S. Tour stuffed us up as it did Utd
I can bet anyone van gaal will not allow it ever again but I bet we've a big it inert of circus acts all lined up with actual preparation to play not part of it
To be on this theme like like now seems to be sending messages that are that should be occurring behind closed doors
This guy is worried about being called to Boston I reckon
In any event...... What I found amusing in a sick fatalistic way is his comment about looking at starting next season much faster than this but only looking once season is over
One would hope that's not actually how it's done as I felt having seen our preseason stuff that our U.S. Tour stuffed us up as it did Utd
I can bet anyone van gaal will not allow it ever again but I bet we've a big it inert of circus acts all lined up with actual preparation to play not part of it
No reasonable man would fault himself. A criminal knowing that he's guilty always plead "not guilty" despite of overwhelming evidence.
Summer would tell !.
Summer would tell !.
you knobs have subscriptions to the HSBC.. I mean telegraph?
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Still not subscribing to the ****s.
Are we back to putting too much stock in hyperbole?
I want a manager that thinks he can win the league. wtf like.
The fans have been fickle ****s, even on here.
wtf are ye on about ffs.
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Wake up lads.
You do realise Chris Bascombe worked for the News of the World.. Stablemate of that paper we all love so much!!
Chris Bascombe on Liverpool and Malaysian support :'One day you will wake up and those Malaysian fans you keep fluttering your eyelids at will be wearing City scarves'.
There were a lot of angry Malaysian fans replying to that
Are you seeing the purpose of these articles now
Many are desperately trying to get the fans to jump on Brod's back by tapping into fan frustration.
"YOU HAVE REACHED YOUR 10 ARTICLE
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Still not subscribing to the ****s.
Are we back to putting too much stock in hyperbole?
I want a manager that thinks he can win the league. wtf like.
The fans have been fickle ****s, even on here.
wtf are ye on about ffs.
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Wake up lads.
You do realise Chris Bascombe worked for the News of the World.. Stablemate of that paper we all love so much!!
Chris Bascombe on Liverpool and Malaysian support :'One day you will wake up and those Malaysian fans you keep fluttering your eyelids at will be wearing City scarves'.
There were a lot of angry Malaysian fans replying to that
Are you seeing the purpose of these articles now
Many are desperately trying to get the fans to jump on Brod's back by tapping into fan frustration.
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