Off Topic The Boris Johnson Appreciation Thread

[Magnet]

You do spout some ****e at times,EU caving in .Enjoy your chloroform chicken.

Hey, I take great exception to that. There’s been far too many personal insults bandied about on this board recently and it’s time it stopped.

Chippy doesn’t spout “some s***e at times”. Okay. Understand?

He spouts s***e at all times.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

You do spout some ****e at times,EU caving in .Enjoy your chloroform chicken.

Beelin’ ^

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

Boris will be like Churchill.. the right man at the right time to lead us through these troubles.

The boot of the EU will no longer be on the backs of our necks... we will be free to make the deal if the century with Trump.

The EU countries will then bend the knee before Boris as their economies crumble into the primordial soup.

 

[The Ides of March]

I have no problem with it. The only impact seems to be that parliament has less time to debate Brexit. Great, they've ****ed about for long enough I don't see the benefit in giving more time. We still have some of these ****s wanting a peoples vote for ****s sake. After 3 years they still haven't accepted the vote and are still pushing their own agenda. If they want more time to do that then I'm not interested. They've dicked about for long enough damaging the very economy they keep telling us they are trying to protect. At least this way we have very clear timeframes and can get on with other business instead of being paralysed by Brexit. Not that I believe that's Boris's motivation but if its a bi product then great.

The people who have "dicked" about the most includes Johnson and his henchmen in the ERG. So you should blame him the most for the delays in delivering Brexit. And besides what has a North Easterner got in common with an Etonian? He hasn´t got your interests at heart. Let´s hope Johnson is screwed by the MPs and the EU remain strong in the face of a very arrogant, fat, extremely ugly bully boy.

 

[The Ides of March]

The opposition in our politics are an absolute shambles, no matter what **** they throw at Boris it isn't going to stick.

No matter what heavily left wing labour voting areas suggest, he is a popular politician, he does have a good pull with his penis. If he continues waving this, and spunks on the democratic decision this country voted for, he has my vote 100%. …...

Amended this for you!!

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I don't think the EU will be moving much - in their heads its 27 vs 1. They are right to, they hold better cards. The only way I could see that happening is if the Irish PM makes a specific request because they will be the country most affected by our exit of the EU countries. Their economy is so integrated with our own, whether that be goods passing though or foods and fuel imports. Also of course they have the relationship with Northern Ireland. At present Ireland has made no such request and have shown no inkling to do so.

Ireland remains a useful partner in these relations though. Their integration with us means the EU is unlikely to put silly tariffs in place or do anything to antagonise the UK should we exit without a deal. The EU isn't going to do something which ****s over one of its member nations. Either we will get a deal agreed or more likely we'll leave without a deal, and things will work themselves out from there.

I see no reason to panic. I'd have preferred to remain but I'd prefer even more now that we get some momentum behind enacting the vote that took place. Its becoming an albatross around the necks of all concerned. The delays are worse for us than the EU.

 

[Freddd]

Boris will be like Churchill.. the right man at the right time to lead us through these troubles.

The boot of the EU will no longer be on the backs of our necks... we will be free to make the deal if the century with Trump.

We will then be raped by the US while the EU goes about its business pleased to be rid of us.

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[Warmir Pouchov]

The people who have "dicked" about the most includes Johnson and his henchmen in the ERG. So you should blame him the most for the delays in delivering Brexit. And besides what has a North Easterner got in common with an Etonian? He hasn´t got your interests at heart. Let´s hope Johnson is screwed by the MPs and the EU remain strong in the face of a very arrogant, fat, extremely ugly bully boy.

I blame the whole political system including Boris, the ERG, Corbyn, the ****ing lot. I don't have anything in common with an Etonian and nor do I think he has my interests at heart. Not sure where you've got this idea? Perhaps you are mistaking my desire to bring this whole charade to a close as a sign I like Boris, was a leaver or think the Tory's as a whole are the party for me. If so you would be wrong on any of those counts. You see I'm not interested in apportioning blame. I don't really give a flying ****. What I do know is 3 years we had a vote, and we should have done so by now. Having a fat arrogant bully boy to go up against the fat arrogant bully boys of the EU? Sounds a match made in heaven.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Fixed

The latest from project fear

 

[The Ides of March]

My gut feeling is that if there was the much sought after "People´s Vote" or another referéndum the "Leave" side would win unless it was split between the various leave options and remain. Unlike you, I do blame the Tories for the complete fiasco. What started off as an internal spat should have remained that. Alas Cameron allowed the boil to explode with negative consequences. It has divided familites, friendships, the UK. And of course there could well be considerable public disorder, something which the Tories are expert in creating. Remember Heath in the 70s, Thatcher in the 80s, and now this lot. It will take a Labour Government to heal the country as it did in 1964, 1974, 1997.

When Leave won the Referéndum, what should have happened then was to have resolved the conditions of leaving and agreed this in the HoC before issuing Article 50. Instead this lot put the cart before the horse.

 

[Mick O'Toon]

My gut feeling is that if there was the much sought after "People´s Vote" or another referéndum the "Leave" side would win unless it was split between the various leave options and remain. Unlike you, I do blame the Tories for the complete fiasco. What started off as an internal spat should have remained that. Alas Cameron allowed the boil to explode with negative consequences. It has divided familites, friendships, the UK. And of course there could well be considerable public disorder, something which the Tories are expert in creating. Remember Heath in the 70s, Thatcher in the 80s, and now this lot. It will take a Labour Government to heal the country as it did in 1964, 1974, 1997.

When Leave won the Referéndum, what should have happened then was to have resolved the conditions of leaving and agreed this in the HoC before issuing Article 50. Instead this lot put the cart before the horse.

If you think you have it bad we over here have to endure jaw dropping ignorance from Tory ERG members,I thought we were supposed to be the thick ones

https://www.joe.ie/news/british-mp-644382
https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/

 

[Magnet]

Fixed

Your grasp of EU economics is just one thing letting your argument down. Another is the inability to comprehend the meaning of “democracy” and how it works.

 

[Judge Death]

After the PM Boris Johnson's prorogue actions yesterday, actor Hugh Grant had this to say

"You will not **** with my children’s future. You will not destroy the freedoms my grandfather fought two world wars to defend. **** off you over-promoted rubber bath toy. Britain is revolted by you and you little gang of masturbatory prefects".

Wasn't too bothered about the effects created by a BJ in 1995 was he?

Let's remember, this is the opinion of a man who decided to enjoy some fun with a hooker in a public street when he had Liz Hurley at home...……...

 

[Freddd]

Your grasp of EU economics is just one thing letting your argument down. Another is the inability to comprehend the meaning of “democracy” and how it works.

Being raped by the US has nothing to do with democracy. It has to do with respective bargaining power. We will be the much weaker party in negotiations with the US. The US uses superior bargaining power ruthlessly to its own advantage (which is fair enough).

As for the EU, we routinely overestimate our importance. We are fairly important to the EU economy but not crucial. We will both be poorer. As we will have cut off seamless access to a much greater proportion of our exports and imports than will have the EU, we will feel.the impact more than it does.

There is no ideology in the above. I do.opppse Brexit on ideological grounds but the above is just based upon how big and powerful we are compared to the US and to the EU.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I have to say my favourite thing from the last few days was Boris's call to arms echoing Mr Trump.

“Our mission is to deliver Brexit on the 31st of October for the purpose of uniting and re-energizing our great United Kingdom and making this country the greatest place on earth,”

Anyone fancy explaining to him that Britain is actually made up of 4 countries

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

Big Bozza swinging his pecker around on the white cliffs of Dover... priceless!

The Europeans will bend the knee.

 

[Magnet]

Being raped by the US has nothing to do with democracy. It has to do with respective bargaining power. We will be the much weaker party in negotiations with the US. The US uses superior bargaining power ruthlessly to its own advantage (which is fair enough).

As for the EU, we routinely overestimate our importance. We are fairly important to the EU economy but not crucial. We will both be poorer. As we will have cut off seamless access to a much greater proportion of our exports and imports than will have the EU, we will feel.the impact more than it does.

There is no ideology in the above. I do.opppse Brexit on ideological grounds but the above is just based upon how big and powerful we are compared to the US and to the EU.

Terminology is the key to discussion and debate. Over dramatise it and you are relying less on facts and playing more to human emotions which ultimately, for me, means you are uncertain of the strength of your argument and are having to rely on frightening people to accept your point.

The USA will not “rape” us. They will negotiate hard for their benefit which is only to be expected (except if TM is PM) and we should do likewise. It will be up to our negotiators to ensure we get a fair deal or we “no deal”. We don’t have to agree a deal unless it benefits us. The negotiating position should sound familiar.

We are 3rd of 28 countries in contributing to the EU budget. Only 9 others are net payers along with us. 18 countries are net receivers. We contribute 13% of the budget. That is roughly one eighth of the budget. Who is going to pick up the shortfall? To say they will be pleased to see the back of us is again a subjective distortion of the truth.

Yes we will no doubt be economically affected and probably more than some of the EU countries but the extent is unknown as it all depends on what happens in the future. Approach the future with a negative mindset and we will be more adversely affected than if we approach with a positive mindset. There are also quite a few of the EU countries economies that are struggling already. Our leaving will definitely impact upon the EU. It could be less so if a fair deal could be agreed for both sides. But the politicians of the EU don’t want that as that could green light others to leave and bring an end to a Federal Europe that we never voted for in the first place.

Ultimately we democratically voted to leave. We need to do that. It makes me laugh when Corbyn et al cry about Boris and his undemocratic actions. It is Parliament and a body of politicians who are acting undemocratically by failing and obstructing the mandate the people gave them 3 years ago. And this is from someone who voted to remain.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

Terminology is the key to discussion and debate. Over dramatise it and you are relying less on facts and playing more to human emotions which ultimately, for me, means you are uncertain of the strength of your argument and are having to rely on frightening people to accept your point.

The USA will not “rape” us. They will negotiate hard for their benefit which is only to be expected (except if TM is PM) and we should do likewise. It will be up to our negotiators to ensure we get a fair deal or we “no deal”. We don’t have to agree a deal unless it benefits us. The negotiating position should sound familiar.

We are 3rd of 28 countries in contributing to the EU budget. Only 9 others are net payers along with us. 18 countries are net receivers. We contribute 13% of the budget. That is roughly one eighth of the budget. Who is going to pick up the shortfall? To say they will be pleased to see the back of us is again a subjective distortion of the truth.

Yes we will no doubt be economically affected and probably more than some of the EU countries but the extent is unknown as it all depends on what happens in the future. Approach the future with a negative mindset and we will be more adversely affected than if we approach with a positive mindset. There are also quite a few of the EU countries economies that are struggling already. Our leaving will definitely impact upon the EU. It could be less so if a fair deal could be agreed for both sides. But the politicians of the EU don’t want that as that could green light others to leave and bring an end to a Federal Europe that we never voted for in the first place.

Ultimately we democratically voted to leave. We need to do that. It makes me laugh when Corbyn et al cry about Boris and his undemocratic actions. It is Parliament and a body of politicians who are acting undemocratically by failing and obstructing the mandate the people gave them 3 years ago. And this is from someone who voted to remain.

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[Freddd]

Terminology is the key to discussion and debate. Over dramatise it and you are relying less on facts and playing more to human emotions which ultimately, for me, means you are uncertain of the strength of your argument and are having to rely on frightening people to accept your point.

The USA will not “rape” us. They will negotiate hard for their benefit which is only to be expected (except if TM is PM) and we should do likewise. It will be up to our negotiators to ensure we get a fair deal or we “no deal”. We don’t have to agree a deal unless it benefits us. The negotiating position should sound familiar.

We are 3rd of 28 countries in contributing to the EU budget. Only 9 others are net payers along with us. 18 countries are net receivers. We contribute 13% of the budget. That is roughly one eighth of the budget. Who is going to pick up the shortfall? To say they will be pleased to see the back of us is again a subjective distortion of the truth.

Yes we will no doubt be economically affected and probably more than some of the EU countries but the extent is unknown as it all depends on what happens in the future. Approach the future with a negative mindset and we will be more adversely affected than if we approach with a positive mindset. There are also quite a few of the EU countries economies that are struggling already. Our leaving will definitely impact upon the EU. It could be less so if a fair deal could be agreed for both sides. But the politicians of the EU don’t want that as that could green light others to leave and bring an end to a Federal Europe that we never voted for in the first place.

Ultimately we democratically voted to leave. We need to do that. It makes me laugh when Corbyn et al cry about Boris and his undemocratic actions. It is Parliament and a body of politicians who are acting undemocratically by failing and obstructing the mandate the people gave them 3 years ago. And this is from someone who voted to remain.

Fair point that I used emotive language. I should have stopped using football forum idiom when speaking about politics.

That said, the proposal is to negotiate a trade deal with the US when we will have lost our trade deal with our biggest trading partner and when we will have no trade deal giving us access to any major market. We will be in a singularly weak bargaining position. I would be very surprised if the US failed to exploit that weakness to the full. Use a less emotive synonym by all means but the outcome will be one in which they are the dominant, and we are the dominated, party.

With respect to the EU, there are two concepts that must be kept separate: the budget of the EU administration and the economies of the EU countries. We contribute a net £9.5 billion or so annually to the budget of the administration. We will be paying a £39 billion exit fee. Perhaps the lack of our contribution will bite in 4 years or so. Perhaps not.

What I was principally referring to, though, was the effect on national economies. Roughly 45% of our trade is with EU countries. Roughly 8% of the EU countries' trade is with us. The trade both ways will be reduced. if it were reduced by 50% in both directions (a figure picked simply for illustrative purposes) our economy would take a 22.5% hit. Theirs would take a 4% hit. A 4% hit isn't nothing by any means but is minor in comparison to the effect on our economy.

it was, therefore, incorrect of me to say that the EU will be glad to be rid of us. I am sure they will be pleased to be spared the endless spats that Brexit has thrown up. They will, however, not enjoy the moderate downturn in their economies it will cause.

 

[Mick O'Toon]

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