The ballot...

[The Omega Man]

I have virtually no doubt you are correct. I also have virtually no doubt that they would not change a pricing plan that the majority support if the vote goes the other way.

They have already indicated that they will.

 

[Kempton]

Great. So you have 2 options in your view?

Vote for no change because you think the concessions on offer suck, and wont be changed.

Or

Don't vote, thus registering your disgust at the 2 options. Which will be interpreted in the final count as "CBA and doesn't care enough to vote". This is essentially sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and going "LALALALALALALA" btw.

We don't like the cards we've been dealt, but, we can use them to our advantage unless we just fold immediately.

I don't have a vote, 45 years supporting my club, I don't meet the criteria

Wtf?

 

[TreeHugger]

They have already indicated that they will.

Really though? To who? I'm guessing not publicly. Why not state in the ballot that the suggested prices are only indicative if they are that open to amendments?

Remember they also indicated they would sell the club in 24 hours and that football should be free like the £36 a month air we breathe.

I just can't vote based on a hope of what these two might do afterwards.

 

[Van Winkle bamber]

I believe that the outcomes of those meetings was decided before they took place, the trust and no-one at those meetings in my eyes had an impact. The reason they had to act was the protests, but I believe they decided on this scheme and the use of the name before the meetings ever took place. That pricing has been thought through, I believe it is naive to think that it hasn't.

I do not trust the Allams, how can I?

Do I trust the trust? Interesting questions, I do but when you are dealing with individuals like the Allams (Which unfortunately recently I have done on a monthly basis) you can't believe a word they say. So whether I trust the trust isn't the issue, the issue is those people they are trying to negotiate with. They don't negotiate, even in business (Property related) they don't negotiate they believe it is there way or the highway. In football they can get away with it and they will continue to do so until we take a stance.

My stance is to boycott and that won't change. However, I will be at Birmingham on Saturday supporting the boys!



Don't vote and continually protest to make my feelings known is my preferred choice as I am not giving legitimacy to a concessions scheme that is terrible and does not do anything to address the issues.

This is a vote for a specific scheme and not a principle and I do not agree with this specific scheme.

Boycotting is not really protesting as most will assume crowds are falling with the quality of football.
I hope your making your voices heard at away matches cos there is no protesting at the KC at present.
I'd love to make a stance but as a united group but this will not happen because we can't agree on which way the wind is going.

 

[Happy Tiger]

I don't have a vote, 45 years supporting my club, I don't meet the criteria

Wtf?

Its for the best fella, you don't know which option to go for anyhow!

 

[The Omega Man]

Really though? To who? I'm guessing not publicly. Why not state in the ballot that the suggested prices are only indicative if they are that open to amendments?

Remember they also indicated they would sell the club in 24 hours and that football should be free like the £36 a month air we breathe.

I just can't vote based on a hope of what these two might do afterwards.

There is a world of difference to the owner saying something and supporters getting a vote. Its been posted on here, so why not accept it. It sup to you, but when we lose the chance of ever getting concessions back, how will you feel then.

Actually, bollocks to this, you ****ing posted on here saying that you could not make your mind up and then all you have done is post reasons for not voting, your ****ing mind was made up before you asked the question and nothing posted by anyone else will make a blind bit of difference, but you will still do business with the owners, to make a shilling or two, whilst moaning that they will not budge on price. ****, **** off.

 

[originallambrettaman]

No I'm not assuming families want to be in the South Stand. The calculations are for zone 1 which includes the North Stand. There is no point calculating Zone 2 since everybody in there pays the same or more, I can do if you like though:
1 adult and 1 under 14 = £54 = no change.
2 adults and 1 under 14 = £90 = £9 extra
1 OAP and 1 under 14 = £54 = no change
1 adult and 1 14 year old = £63 = £9 extra
2 adults and 1 14 year old = £99 = £18 extra
2 adults and 2 14 year olds = £126 = £18 extra
2 adults and 2 under 14 year olds = £108 = no change. So if you sit in Zone 2 you are screwed.

The removal of Zone 3 makes everybody their cheaper as I've said many times, but it has nothing to do with concessions.

Your suggestions about the ages and restrictions is what should happen I agree, but it's irrelevant to this vote.

I give up.

 

[TreeHugger]

There is a world of difference to the owner saying something and supporters getting a vote. Its been posted on here, so why not accept it. It sup to you, but when we lose the chance of ever getting concessions back, how will you feel then.

Actually, bollocks to this, you ****ing posted on here saying that you could not make your mind up and then all you have done is post reasons for not voting, your ****ing mind was made up before you asked the question and nothing posted by anyone else will make a blind bit of difference, but you will still do business with the owners, to make a shilling or two, whilst moaning that they will not budge on price. ****, **** off.

Ha. Nice. Unwarranted personal insults because I gave a differing viewpoint. I still haven’t made up my mind. I’m discussing merits either way. The replies I get back are pro concessions so I am balancing that out to help make my own mind up and put the merits of both votes out there for everyone.

In fact the only time I’ve suggested which way I'd vote was when I said that the removal of zone 3 made me sway slightly towards voting that way.

You ok hun?

*edit Also, in my personal situation the group of 3 of us would actually pay slightly less overall. I'd pay a bit more (which I have repeated more than once is fine as the price is very reasonable), but it would be more affordable for my sisters to pay for my nephews which is another reason I may selfishly vote for concessions.

 

[TreeHugger]

I give up.

Ok, thanks for your help in my decision making process.

 

[Kempton]

There is a world of difference to the owner saying something and supporters getting a vote. Its been posted on here, so why not accept it. It sup to you, but when we lose the chance of ever getting concessions back, how will you feel then.

Actually, bollocks to this, you ****ing posted on here saying that you could not make your mind up and then all you have done is post reasons for not voting, your ****ing mind was made up before you asked the question and nothing posted by anyone else will make a blind bit of difference, but you will still do business with the owners, to make a shilling or two, whilst moaning that they will not budge on price. ****, **** off.

You shouldn't be so angry, TOM You've won. It's a foregone conclusion. The members will vote for Allams 'concessions'.

Well done you

 

[The Omega Man]

You shouldn't be so angry, TOM You've won. It's a foregone conclusion. The members will vote for Allams 'concessions'.

Well done you

I'm not angry nor am I trying to win, it just pisses me off when posters ask for help deciding and then argue the point.

 

[Kempton]

I'm not angry nor am I trying to win, it just pisses me off when posters ask for help deciding and then argue the point.

Maybe they just don't think they should take your word as Gospel? They just want to hear opinions from both sides? Not just go with what anyone on here tells them?

Do you take the advice of everyone that offers it?

 

[TreeHugger]

I'm not angry nor am I trying to win, it just pisses me off when posters ask for help deciding and then argue the point.

Dude, calm down. Why would it piss you off? Isn't that how decisions should be made? Weighing everything up, not just asking for somebody else's opinion and saying "ok that'll do". Surely it's better to look at both sides and come to a reasoned decision, not just go with what you are told?

 

[Kempton]

Dude, calm down. Why would it piss you off? Isn't that how decisions should be made? Weighing everything up, not just asking for somebody else's opinion and saying "ok that'll do". Surely it's better to look at both sides and come to a reasoned decision, not just go with what you are told?

Snap

 

[AlRawdah]

I have virtually no doubt you are correct. I also have virtually no doubt that they would not change a pricing plan that the majority support if the vote goes the other way.

Were you saying “there’s no way they’ll consider introducing concessions” before the club starting considering them? This notion that this vote is a one off and no further changes will ever be considered is simply not supported by the clear evidence of the last few months.

 

[The Omega Man]

Maybe they just don't think they should take your word as Gospel? They just want to hear opinions from both sides? Not just go with what anyone on here tells them?

Do you take the advice of everyone that offers it?

I can't decide how to vote.

Dude, calm down. Why would it piss you off? Isn't that how decisions should be made? Weighing everything up, not just asking for somebody else's opinion and saying "ok that'll do". Surely it's better to look at both sides and come to a reasoned decision, not just go with what you are told?

Why does a vote for no concessions mean you're happy with no concessions yet a vote for those concessions doesn't mean you're happy with those concessions?

Your suggestions about the ages and restrictions is what should happen I agree, but it's irrelevant to this vote.

I have virtually no doubt you are correct. I also have virtually no doubt that they would not change a pricing plan that the majority support if the vote goes the other way.

I just can't vote based on a hope of what these two might do afterwards.

In fact the only time I’ve suggested which way I'd vote was when I said that the removal of zone 3 made me sway slightly towards voting that way.
I may selfishly vote for concessions.

I reviewed my insulting post and have concluded that I was right to post it.

 

[TreeHugger]

I reviewed my insulting post and have concluded that I was right to post it.

huh? None of those posts say which way I would vote?? In fact every one of them (bar the last saying I may vote for concessions) shows how I am undecided either way!

These trawling posts for quotes to prove somebody is wrong/lying/changing their mind are cool when they work. This one failed. Sorry.

 

[TreeHugger]

Were you saying “there’s no way they’ll consider introducing concessions” before the club starting considering them? This notion that this vote is a one off and no further changes will ever be considered is simply not supported by the clear evidence of the last few months.

Indeed, the notion that this vote isn't the end of it works both ways though. It shouldn’t be a factor in decision making. I don’t think.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Dude, calm down. Why would it piss you off? Isn't that how decisions should be made? Weighing everything up, not just asking for somebody else's opinion and saying "ok that'll do". Surely it's better to look at both sides and come to a reasoned decision, not just go with what you are told?

There's nothing reasoned about most of your posts on this thread, much of it has been lopsided and wholly inaccurate.

We all agree that the concessions don't go far enough and that to be made acceptable to most people, they'll have to go further.

But unless the vote goes in favour of reintroducing concessions, they're going nowhere.

 

[Kempton]

I reviewed my insulting post and have concluded that I was right to post it.

What insulting post?