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Does the club have a need to manipulate the ballot outcome? My judgement is that they’ve presented two options that are income-neutral for the club, so in the terms that they constantly judge these matters they aren’t fussed either way.

I’d be interested to see how the club demonstrates the ballot was fair and independent counted, whatever the outcome.
 
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Not me. Maybe others.

Don’t vote? Then your vote is wasted.

Are your kids old enough to be told about the millions who havevdied so people could vote and the many millions who would love the chance to do so? And if you don't vote don't moan about the state of the country? Had the desired effect on one but not the other.
 
Does anyone really believe the result will be an honest reflection of the vote - I'm struggling to find one example of when the Allams said something and then did it - I can't believe this will be any different

I was going to like this post then remembered one thing said and done. "The club will be run for the benefit of the shareholders" (mum n dad to you and me)
 
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Do you think the meetings have led to the offer of concessions?

No, not really. I think it could and have been achieved by email and the fallout from ongoing protests and that any perceived benefit of the meetings is being overstated and totally omits the negative nature of the meetings, the cancellation, the not turning up, the failure to pass on information as agreed.
 
The chances of Fez accepting that the Supporters Committee have achieved anything at all, is roughly the same as the chances of Evandro being fit for the rest of the season.

That's hardly surprising as I have never thought they should take place until the club made some tangible and realistic gesture to reverse their mismanagement - preferably the **** re-branding. But, anyway, what have they actually achieved?
 
That's hardly surprising as I have never thought they should take place until the club made some tangible and realistic gesture to reverse their mismanagement - preferably the **** re-branding. But, anyway, what have they actually achieved?

It remains to be seen, at the moment there's a commitment to reinstate the club name by the end of the month and a commitment to reinstating concessions if that's what people vote for. They might do all they say, they might fudge the lot, we've not long to wait before we find out.

With regard to the use of the club's name, I've seen a few references to the fact that it could and should have been reinstated immediately, rather than waiting until the end of the month. In the case of just using the club name on club output, this is true and changing the social media stuff shouldn't be problematic either, but changing absolutely everything does take time. If they're going to change the web domain/email addresses etc, they need a new domain first (they were never going to accept going back to hullcityafc.net) and someone else currently owns hullcity.com and would have to agree to transfer it.
 
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Are your kids old enough to be told about the millions who havevdied so people could vote and the many millions who would love the chance to do so? And if you don't vote don't moan about the state of the country? Had the desired effect on one but not the other.

You need your pills.

Yes they are & we do.

I do vote & reserve the right to moan about whatever I please. I do recognise I’ll never reach the heights you set.

If you’re still bleating about the Euro referendum, have a think about who’s doing the moaning (for a clue look in a mirror) & what relevance it has to concessions being offered by the club.
 
You need your pills.

Yes they are & we do.

I do vote & reserve the right to moan about whatever I please. I do recognise I’ll never reach the heights you set.

If you’re still bleating about the Euro referendum, have a think about who’s doing the moaning (for a clue look in a mirror) & what relevance it has to concessions being offered by the club.

I vote and offer constricive critiques (moan).

If you can't see the connection between your assertion if the vote is in favour of something that is it and the Euro referendum then get someone to explain it to you.
 
Anyone who thinks that this proposal from these tossers is a stepping stone to further dialogue and more concessions are deluding themselves in my opinion. We are being led into a trap as far as I can see. I would like the official line from us to have been along the lines of don’t give legitimacy to this proposal and therefore don’t vote. Continue the protests and let our feelings be known. Is voting for their proposal whereby they continue beating us with a stick for the sake of a couple of pounds here and there really worth it?
The club didn't give HCST chance as they sent the email without consultation. Although they should have said this within ten minutes and actually stood a chance of invalidating this ****ty vote. Only answer now is to carry on protesting but it seems most are not interested anymore, if they were to start with.
 
No, not really. I think it could and have been achieved by email and the fallout from ongoing protests and that any perceived benefit of the meetings is being overstated and totally omits the negative nature of the meetings, the cancellation, the not turning up, the failure to pass on information as agreed.
email ha, please don't email you have what you want
 
It remains to be seen, at the moment there's a commitment to reinstate the club name by the end of the month and a commitment to reinstating concessions if that's what people vote for. They might do all they say, they might fudge the lot, we've not long to wait before we find out.

With regard to the use of the club's name, I've seen a few references to the fact that it could and should have been reinstated immediately, rather than waiting until the end of the month. In the case of just using the club name on club output, this is true and changing the social media stuff shouldn't be problematic either, but changing absolutely everything does take time. If they're going to change the web domain/email addresses etc, they need a new domain first (they were never going to accept going back to hullcityafc.net) and someone else currently owns hullcity.com and would have to agree to transfer it.

Okay, thanks for your response.

It seems you are saying the committee might of achieved something, but that is yet to be delivered.

I would counter that with the owners have called all of the shots. They summoned the committee on their terms, it served their purpose. They knew, as we all did, what the agenda would be; they did no more than go along with that, as it suited them. They spun it around and took the position of dominance by their unpredictable and insulting behaviour. It's what they do. They did it again the other Monday. The changes that will happen are changes they have decided it is time to give up - but there will be a price, there always is.

If no one had attended the meetings, the owners would have found another way to get to where they want to be - but that was never going to happen, was it? They were always going to get OSC and stand reps, they would have brought a friend...

...let's not fool anyone that the owners have been pushed into anything they didn't want to be pushed into.

As for the club's name I saw numerous posts saying it would be of small effort to make a credible start on it. I'm sure some of those posts were from you.

It's all down to spin, from both sides.
 
I've just compared prices myself and why has no one else pointed out what a complete ****ing joke this is yet?

They've done exactly the same as the last supposed offer for 'concessions'.

Zone 2 currently £27 per month.

Proposed adults £36, concessions £27 and junior £18, with a restriction on one junior ticket per adult. What a total piss take <laugh>
 
I've just compared prices myself and why has no one else pointed out what a complete ****ing joke this is yet?

They've done exactly the same as the last supposed offer for 'concessions'.

Zone 2 currently £27 per month.

Proposed adults £36, concessions £27 and junior £18, with a restriction on one junior ticket per adult. What a total piss take <laugh>

Most of the new Zone 2 is currently Zone 3.