The Allams smc statement

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Mark Blow said:
The 3.5million loan/mortgage taken out against the SMC isn't a drain then, which has nothing to do with Hull FC.

So , when they they bought the SMC did they not do due diligence on the KC stadium to see the state it was in?When anyone buys a house they get a survey done, did the Allams not do this before buying the SMC and taking control of the upkeep of the stadium.

Another question I would like to ask is all the gate receipts that City receive for a home match, do they keep them?

For Hull FC they don't, initially when the moved in the SMC received 50% of gate receipts for crowds over 7500. Hull FC 's average crowds have steadily risen so it would be interesting to see how much the SMC makes from Hull FC home games and whether the total over a season offsets these 200k losses the SMC say Hull FC cost them, especially when you have derby matches against Hull KR with crowds of 20000 plus.
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It's got nothing to do with the Allams either, you idiot. You should be grateful they took on the debt. If they hadn't Hull City would be now out of business and you would be back at that sh1thole down Boulevard.

If you want to pour your scorn at someone for how that £3.5m came about, pour it on th Council. They are the ones who signed off the operating rules for the SMC that allowed such a mortgage to be actioned in the first place.

Ask yourself this. If the Allams hand back the lease to the council what do you think will happen to the costs accruing to Hull FC resulting from playing at the KC?
 
StrovolosTiger said:
It's got nothing to do with the Allams either, you idiot. You should be grateful they took on the debt. If they hadn't Hull City would be now out of business and you would be back at that sh1thole down Boulevard.

If you want to pour your scorn at someone for how that £3.5m came about, pour it on th Council. They are the ones who signed off the operating rules for the SMC that allowed such a mortgage to be actioned in the first place.

Ask yourself this. If the Allams hand back the lease to the council what do you think will happen to the costs accruing to Hull FC resulting from playing at the KC?
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To be fair Strov, I'm not sure about that. I think (but by no means know) that the mortgage is the one taken out on the SMC by Duffen, in which case it'd be nothing to do with the Council or FC. It's interesting that Ehab saw fit to throw it in the mix though. That won't have been by accident.
 
Is there any chance that 3.5m figure is the mortgage duffen took out against ticket sales? It's a very similar amount.
 
The Bullshit Man said:
Is there any chance that 3.5m figure is the mortgage duffen took out against ticket sales? It's a very similar amount.
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Could be, but I'm not sure that would be a mortgage or show up in the SMC accounts, but then I know next to nowt. i do recall a mortgage taken out on the SMC by Duffen because I couldn't understand it at the time.
 
Sorry to go on, but I'm truly astounded by the FC message board. They've banned someone else for having a different opinion. I was considering joining myself, but it just doesn't seem worth it. It really is pathetic.

They've posted a load of nonsense on there that Ehabs statement has corrected, but because Ehab's version is different from the one their "experts" cited, they now claim the Allams are changing the numbers from day to day. The numbers from the Allams have been consistent from start to finish, as is the silence from FC on the subject for the past year.
 
They all still think the allams are trying to screw them over, after what has come out.

Also, apparently they never cause trouble

Hull FC fans were involved in a crowd disturbance at last night's game against Leeds Rhinos at Headingley.

A number of Hull FC fans starting fighting as they watched their team lose 42-10 to Leeds.

West Yorkshire Police said no arrests had been made despite the trouble. A police spokesman said: "The whole crowd were a bit boisterous, but nothing of major concern to us. The Hull fans were a little bit boisterous, but nothing we would class as serious trouble."

The Mail's Hull FC reporter James Smailes saw fighting break out. He said: "It appeared to involve just a handful of fans. The fighting lasted less than a minute and the stewards were quickly on the scene to break it up."
 
If the Allams were simply in this to own the KC and Walton Street, ignoring the many other easier ways to get a return on £50 million and the on going expense of maintaining a stadium, surely they'd have been better staying in the background until City had gone into liquidation, as was the real probability? The rugby club wouldn't have been far behind with the expense of trying to keep the stadium going.


Edit. It's like watching a car crash. One of them's only still saying the headingly embarrassment was City fans. <laugh>
 
Dutch_Mountain_Dog said:
Sorry to go on, but I'm truly astounded by the FC message board. They've banned someone else for having a different opinion. I was considering joining myself, but it just doesn't seem worth it. It really is pathetic.

They've posted a load of nonsense on there that Ehabs statement has corrected, but because Ehab's version is different from the one their "experts" cited, they now claim the Allams are changing the numbers from day to day. The numbers from the Allams have been consistent from start to finish, as is the silence from FC on the subject for the past year.
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That would be me. Kosh is a complete Tosser. I made him look stupid so i got a ban. I will be back
 
Dutch_Mountain_Dog said:
If the Allams were simply in this to own the KC and Walton Street, ignoring the many other easier ways to get a return on £50 million and the on going expense of maintaining a stadium, surely they'd have been better staying in the background until City had gone into liquidation, as was the real probability? The rugby club wouldn't have been far behind with the expense of trying to keep the stadium going.
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Not that it would matter, FC would just buy yet another RL clubs league place and they'd be back in business the next season.
 
Jimbo, I think you'll find that it's more a case of a lot of people thinking it's hull FC caught in the middle between the Allams and Adam Pearson.

In one of the statements it mentions the Allams asking Adam Pearson break a confidentiality agreement to discuss the openly the running and costs of the KC. Is this confidentially agreement because he was a previous owner of the SMC or his sudden departure last year from Hull City?
 
Mark Blow said:
Jimbo, I think you'll find that it's more a case of a lot of people thinking it's hull FC caught in the middle between the Allams and Adam Pearson.

In one of the statements it mentions the Allams asking Adam Pearson break a confidentiality agreement to discuss the openly the running and costs of the KC. Is this confidentially agreement because he was a previous owner of the SMC or his sudden departure last year from Hull City?
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The so called confidentiality clause seems very convenient. There are plenty of ways of getting around them if the will is there. As the debate is in the media and ALL other parties are commenting, either another Club representative could make a measured comment or Mr Pearson could make a public request that any clause is lifted.

As it is, the silence appears damning.
 
Yes, it does, and I wish they would say something to be honest. All I've seen is that the club would not comment in public but discuss the issues with the SMC in private.
 
Mark Blow said:
Yes, it does, and I wish they would say something to be honest. All I've seen is that the club would not comment in public but discuss the issues with the SMC in private.
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He was quick to tell everybody that he was going to re-negotiate a new deal on the KC rent agreement last year in the HDM. Why the silence now?
 
Mark Blow said:
Yes, it does, and I wish they would say something to be honest. All I've seen is that the club would not comment in public but discuss the issues with the SMC in private.
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It tends to leave people cherry picking 'facts' that suit their own positions and ignoring 'facts' that don't. (I include myself in that). It's why I keep pushing the free and open discussion angle being missing on the fc message board. This then pushes people into polarised and entrenched positions which could be based on total nonsense.

At least on here and other City boards, there's a really good cross section of knowledge and experience that tends to rein in posters by informing them. It also means combining knowledge gives a better, more robust basis for opinions.
 
You would have to assume whatever confidentiality agreement he or the club is bound by. There obviously is one that is stopping him commenting or the Allam's wouldn't have mentioned it in the HDM article
 
jimbo093 said:
Also, apparently they never cause trouble

Hull FC fans were involved in a crowd disturbance at last night's game against Leeds Rhinos at Headingley.

A number of Hull FC fans starting fighting as they watched their team lose 42-10 to Leeds.

West Yorkshire Police said no arrests had been made despite the trouble. A police spokesman said: "The whole crowd were a bit boisterous, but nothing of major concern to us. The Hull fans were a little bit boisterous, but nothing we would class as serious trouble."

The Mail's Hull FC reporter James Smailes saw fighting break out. He said: "It appeared to involve just a handful of fans. The fighting lasted less than a minute and the stewards were quickly on the scene to break it up."
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what are you on about???? when was that? they were at home to st helens last night.
 
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jimbo093 said:
Also, apparently they never cause trouble

Hull FC fans were involved in a crowd disturbance at last night's game against Leeds Rhinos at Headingley.

A number of Hull FC fans starting fighting as they watched their team lose 42-10 to Leeds.

West Yorkshire Police said no arrests had been made despite the trouble. A police spokesman said: "The whole crowd were a bit boisterous, but nothing of major concern to us. The Hull fans were a little bit boisterous, but nothing we would class as serious trouble."

The Mail's Hull FC reporter James Smailes saw fighting break out. He said: "It appeared to involve just a handful of fans. The fighting lasted less than a minute and the stewards were quickly on the scene to break it up."
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what are you on about???? when was that? they were at home to st helens last night.
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Wake up . It's a report from last week! You are proving a point
 
Mark Blow said:
especially when you have derby matches against Hull KR with crowds of 20000 plus.
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help me out here, mark, please. i'm a novice at searching for rl data on the internet. i found some info but not as much as i wanted. can you tell us what the crowds were for the last four fc-kr games at the kc. thanks.
 
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